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“Damage” to Catalonia?

Cat-alone. Geddit?

It seems that the Spanish government is now willing to take a few pages out of the General Franco playbook to quash the separatist movement that has been gaining ground in Catalonia.

With a referendum on independence scheduled for October 1st, the Spanish government has launched a crackdown that may in fact only inflame the situation. State police have raided regional government offices, arrested Catalan officials organizing the referendum, and seized ballot papers, ballot boxes, voting lists, and electoral material and literature. Now the finance ministry is also turning the screws to cut off funding for the vote.

So, what is going on here? Is this a genuine nationalist revolt or not? And who should the Alt-Right be supporting?

First of all, Catalonia is different from much of the rest of Spain, with its own language and culture, rather in the same way that Portugal is different from Spain. Not very different, but different enough to make independence at least worth considering. But it should also be pointed out that these differences, which were a lot stronger in the past, were not a major problem during the hundreds of years that Catalonia has been part of Spain. So why are they a problem now? The fact is they are not or every part of Spain would be clamping down on the millions of Muslims who have crept into the country.

Nationalism does not seem to be the main driver here. Instead, the region, which is heavily centered on the trendy and sophisticated city of Barcelona, has developed a “too cool for school” attitude towards the rest of Spain, seeing itself as more urban and urbane, more arty and hip, more progressive and cosmopolitan than the rest of the country.

There is even a hint of this in old books, like George Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia, which describes the rather signally and dysfunctional Leftism of the city in the Spanish Civil War. It should be said that this book unwittingly played a major role in “glamorizing” and branding Barcelona as the “cool” Leftist metropolis, which, in turn, fed into the way that Catalonia presents itself today.

Even in the 1930s, they had their signaling game down.

But there is also a financial angle.

With a thriving tourist industry and better transport links than the rest of Spain, Catalonia also punches above its weight economically and thus is a net payer into the Spanish treasury. As a consequence, it sees the rest of Spain demanding an “unfair share” of its wealth. As Lefties you might think they would be happy to share. You would be wrong.

In short, this is a very odd “nationalist” struggle, as it seems to have more to do with being “cool and leftist” in a hipsterish way and petty financial squabbles than the fact that Catalonia is full of Catalans seeking to express their “Catalanness.”

Barcelona’s landmark — a Gothic cathedral apparently built by termites.

Barcelona, which dominates the region, is both richer and a lot more left-wing than the rest of the country. Because of this, the best way to understand its situation is to compare it to California and its secessionist aspirations. If you support Californian secession on the grounds that it would push the rest of America to the right, while also allowing “The Golden State” to self-destruct on its own Leftist stupidity, then it would seem churlish and illogical not to support Catalan independence as well.

When the issue of Scottish independence came up a few years ago, I was clear in my support for it, although I had no illusions about the so-called Scottish National Party, a vile Cultural Marxist party, with an agenda that was at least partly driven by unassimilated Irish people, who still hated England literally centuries after they came to Scotland to work in its factories during the industrial revolution.

Despite this, I saw clear political benefits in Scotland becoming independent. First, it would have weakened the UK, which at that time was serving as the main auxiliary of the globalist United States Empire. Secondly, it would remove a large number of left-wing MPs from Westminster, making it much more likely that the rest of the UK would be dominated by center-right parties, rather than the alternating succession of Conservative and Labour governments that had driven its decline.

As for Scotland, going it alone would be a “cold turkey” crash course in economic reality and a wake-up call from a public-sector-dominated welfare economy. Messy and painful as this would undoubtedly have been, this would also have been an effective way to reanimate the dormant Scottish spirit — or at least sense of reality.

The conclusions I reached then also color my views of the Catalan question. Spain without Catalonia would be more inherently right wing. As such, it would be more likely to resist the forces of globalism and mass immigration pushing at its Southern shores.

Wikileaks wants Cata-leaks.

Catalonia without Spain, by contrast, might first enjoy a temporary revenue boost as it stopped sending taxes to Madrid. But, then, without the stabilizing influence of being part of a broader and more conservative Spain, its inherent leftism would assume a more toxic character, resulting in the usual left-wing nonsense, such as anti-austerity spending, welfarism, and wasteful and disruptive Cultural Marxist projects.

Worst of all, it would lead to a loosening of its borders to the usual migrant and refugee influx from the dysfunction of the Third World. We saw a taste of this insanity recently when a terrorist attack by a refugee was preceded by a campaign with the slogan “Refugees welcome, Tourists go home.”

As with Californian independence, the result of all this would be to destroy the Catalan economy, and thus the support system for the parasitism of socialism and its stupidities. Ultimately the new state would have no choice but to swing right.

Watching Catalonia crash and burn in this way would definitely be a mixed pleasure, but it would also be a lesson to the rest of Europe, while also shaking the unstable foundations of an overextended EU. So, why wouldn’t I support it?

Originally published at Alternativeright.blog

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206 comments

  1. Gubbler Chechenova 2 October, 2017 at 13:28 Reply

    Nationalist Conundrum.

    Some peoples want more nationalism, but nationalism has been made a bad evil idea. So, they can only justify their call for nationalist exclusion with globalist inclusion. It’s like plugging the holes in the boat while pouring buckets of water into the boat.

  2. Charlie Maurras 2 October, 2017 at 09:31 Reply

    Well written, balanced and thoughtful article here. Much welcome after the quick dismisal of the Catalonian nationalism as “stupid” and “dumb” by Richard Spencer and an obviously not too informed on the subject Mike Enoch on their latest podcast.
    It seems that European identitarians (and, at the very least, Generation Identity) are usually a lot more sensitive to “regionalism” or “localism” than our American counterparts. In the US, it’s “whites vs rest of the world”. Whites don’t have that many subcultures to affiliate themselves to (and no, Jugaloos don’t count as a culture).
    You can’t simply dismiss Catalan (or Basque, or Scottish…) claims to identity. These people do have a coherent ethnic, cultural, geographic and historic identity which usually predates the creation of the USA.
    It is however very true that leftists are heavily involved in these “regional identitarian” struggles, which they approach in anti-colonial terms (an oppressed people struggling to break free of a monstrous reactionary power). This is most unfortunate, but still, it doesnt invalidate the fact that these identities are real and that fighting to protect them is worthwile.
    As a European, I would feel a sense of loss if Catalan or Scottish identities were erased (by ,respectively, Castillan or English identity). I’m not going to use the “diversity is our strength” meme, even in an ironic way. But our European identities should continue to coexist and be honoured and maintained through time.
    Quick note : the main Catalan political party, (Partit Demòcrata Europeu Català) and the current leader of the Catalan government are not leftists in the true sense of the term. They are what would be best described in the US as globalist free-market cuckstervatives. Which doesn’t make them A-OK of course.

  3. Marc Hauser 2 October, 2017 at 03:58 Reply

    Barcelona is a hotbed of Salafism. It’s worth considering izzy may be taking a good look at Catalonia. They can ride the hotbed of nationalist fervor into creating an Islamist state right there on the European continent and weaken a major European nation at the same time.

    • NeetPajeet 2 October, 2017 at 09:01 Reply

      I want to see the Salafists and the hipster-Catalans locked in a political death struggle for the new state.
      (I know who my money’s on)

  4. Paul Rain 2 October, 2017 at 02:28 Reply

    Spain, in its current state, is absolutely fucked. The evil scum in government are taking down statues of Francoist heroes, and pozzing the nation as much as possible.

    If the departure of Catalan causes a rightist turn, that is desirable. Just look at those good folks in the squares singing Falangist songs, and throwing it up.

    It doesn’t matter what Catalonia does now. A revived Spain could retake Catalonia in a few years from now, or in a decade. Who cares. Fuck em.

  5. Charley Howard 2 October, 2017 at 00:43 Reply

    The populations of Europe need to rise up and depose their governments; if they do that they will achieve some degree of stability until they do that they will know no peace now are anytime in the future. One must overcome the Jew before one achieves some type of Nirvana

    • NeetPajeet 2 October, 2017 at 07:22 Reply

      In the current year, when anyone can get off a plane (or boat) and declare “we Spanish now”, what does it even mean to be a Spaniard?

  6. Jen 1 October, 2017 at 22:49 Reply

    This video was pretty shocking to see.

    And a good point by another commenter:

    Very interesting is the fact that the European governments have no money, power, means and political will to stop the illegal emigration but to beat their own population they have money, power, means and political will.

    https://youtu.be/APsHNIrS7-s

    • Charley Howard 2 October, 2017 at 00:42 Reply

      Well, you’re not going to get any sympathy for me … , What you think you get when you allow JEWS to dictate policy in Europe and allow the population to have no say so in the disposition of their countries ??

      Whenever the Jew, is involved you are going to have Chaos and Anarchy. Accept that s your primary rule and you will always be on the right side of everything.

      • Jen 2 October, 2017 at 01:04 Reply

        The police brutality was incredibly disturbing and I can see why people would be sympathetic to their desire for independence and self-determination, but the fact that they would most likely open their borders to more migrants from the ME and NA would be detrimental for them and the rest of Europe in the long run.

        • Captain John Charity Spring MA 2 October, 2017 at 02:15 Reply

          I’m not disturbed. This was Fascistic Castillians kicking in the faces of Anarchists and Communists.

  7. Vabadus 1 October, 2017 at 22:05 Reply

    Artificial European nation-states were largely created after the Enlightenment on national liberal grounds, such as Italy. Peoples with different histories, origins, cultures, and languages will eventually resist forced integration, particularly if they are being oppressed. If they cannot manage it in Northern Ireland, where the people are basically the same, they will not in Spain either. I supported the informal Venetian independence referendum as much as I endorse Catalonian secession.

    All nationalist movements, even left-wing ones, are essentially identitarian. And a nation is not defined by the short-term electoral cycle. I find it baffling that any right-winger would side with a globalist government and the status quo over the meaningful expression of national self-determination. If that were sensible, I would be geostrategically supporting the European Union — a close alliance of White, European countries — rather than Brexit.

    Hundreds of small nation-states are far more difficult for globalist entities to control and subsume than tens of large ones with centralised governments hooked on transnational entanglements. Thankfully, the Spanish government will come out of this mess looking rather horrid, even under mainstream media scrutiny.

    We do not have time on our hands and parliamentary democracy is a charade. It appears from a spate of referendums in Europe that the only way to overturn or at least crack the globalist agenda, short of a revolution, is by going directly to the people.

    ¡Visca Catalunya! And it’s about time the Basques returned to armed struggle, too.

    • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 22:14 Reply

      “Hundreds of small nation-states are far more difficult for globalist entities to control and subsume than tens of large ones with centralised governments hooked on transnational entanglements.”

      This lacks an understanding of great power politics. Any small nation state like Catalonia is just going to fall under the sway of a Great Power like the Russians or the Americans. The goal for Europeans should be to unite on some level so their various identities aren’t destroyed by outside powers.

      • Vabadus 2 October, 2017 at 00:32 Reply

        Liechtenstein is doing fine, as are the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, and Iceland. Which of them is being swamped by the Third World or plagued by Islamist terror? (Clue: None.)

        Europeans have had their identites destroyed by outside powers and their own precisely by “uniting” politically and economically. That’s what the European Union is and has been. And you can scarcely call yourself any kind of conservative if you oppose Brexit.

        You seem to think that the powers that be in European governments are nationalists who identify hostile outsiders and seek to co-operate with one another. The global order is liberal and internationalist. It must be destroyed. It can only be destroyed by defying what they want and encouraging the revival of ethnic and national identity. That’s what Brexit is about and that’s what Catalonian independence is.

        The status quo must be pushed to the brink until it collapses, which is why I will another eurozone crisis.

        • Yehudah Finkelstein 2 October, 2017 at 00:45 Reply

          You are attacking the institution rather than the people running the institution (in this case, the EU and Brussels bureaucrats). This is a common fallacy amongst those on the political right.

          This is like saying all Public Schools and Universities in America are bad and will always be bad because they are run by anti white liberals. This doesn’t mean that the institution of public schools can’t be utilized as an institution that is a positive force for American whites. The solution is not to abolish public schools and universities but to control the schools and teach the correct curriculum and courses.

          So it goes with European wide institutions. If you honestly think America is going to leave your little, independent European nation states alone because it worked for the tax haven of Liechtenstein, then you’re in for a rude awakening. What needs to happen is for Europeans to unite with one voice against American hegemony and domination. The globalists, IE Americans, IE Jews, are not threatened at all by Catalan independence or Brexit. For the same reason, America and Israel are championing Kurdish independence. The better to partition and control small, weak states. Consider this before drinking from the poisoned chalice of petty nationalism.

          • Captain John Charity Spring MA 2 October, 2017 at 02:19

            Irony here is at the the only state left intact in the EU might be Germany. France could be cut into a dozen states.

    • Crud Bonemeal 1 October, 2017 at 23:49 Reply

      Catalonia doesn’t want independence from the EU and it doesn’t want to stop the flow of refugees. It probably wants more.

      so these benefits you speak of all seem very theoretical

      • Vabadus 2 October, 2017 at 00:23 Reply

        Spain doesn’t want independence from the EU and doesn’t want to stop the flow of refugees. So what? That isn’t an argument against secession when union with Spain has the same outcome.

        Richer Catalonia, which produces most of Spain’s wealth, should break free from the parasites that feed from it and despise their culture, language, and history.

        Identitarianism is always good. There hasn’t been much in depth discussion of Catalonia in alt-right publications, but the tone has been overwhelmingly a positive one, most notably on the Daily Stormer.

        • Crud Bonemeal 2 October, 2017 at 00:34 Reply

          I am skeptical of the idea that Identitarianism is always good.

          I am much more of a racialist, and I could imagine a phony identitarianism, which focused on superficial cultural and linguistic aspects, as a distraction from core racial issues.

          For example, some Quebec Nationalists pretend to feel more kinship with a French speaking Haitian than with a English Canadian. That’s a form of Idenitarian thinking, but it’s bad.

          I don’t have an informed opinion on Catalan politics. I don’t really care and my opinion doesn’t matter. I just want whatever outcome leads to people kicking out non-European invaders and adopting healthy non-communist values.

          • Patriotic American 2 October, 2017 at 15:42

            These Catalan ‘nationalists’ are anarcho-communists. If you support them you are supporting full blown bolshevism.

        • Captain John Charity Spring MA 2 October, 2017 at 02:17 Reply

          Barcelona has always been a hive of leftist political activity. It’ll become more apparent in the days to come.

          • Tyler Durden 2 October, 2017 at 12:49

            Nah, let us get the independence such that the Catalonia-Spain political arguments are over and we’ll retake our country, trust me. In Catalonia there is a dormant right wing nationalism which cannot wake up due to too much Spanish immigration in Catalonia.

          • Vabadus 2 October, 2017 at 14:22

            A nation is not defined by the political opinions, which ebb and flow from decade to decade, of its leaders at a given time. I do not have to be signed up to the overall ideology of the Catalonian separatists of today to sympathise with their cause and the return of ethno-national identity to the forefront of European political life.

            I have not come across a single argument for keeping Catalonians with Spain that could not have been just as easily applied to the UK remaining in the EU.

          • Vabadus 5 October, 2017 at 00:07

            Right, then. The whole thing was faked. Catalonians are not being beaten by the police (the armed wing of the violent leftist State). They are actors and Catalonians voted by 80% to remain in Spain.

            In other news, 52% of my countrymen did not vote to leave the EU. It was 60-40 to stay. Brexit is not the will of the people.

          • America is Kiked 4 October, 2017 at 19:30

            You have no clue what you are talking about.

            PuigDEMONt is going down

            Secessionist Catalonian officials told anyone who wanted to, to print out ballots at home and cast them wherever they could. Referendum ballots were handed out at random at rallies before the referendum. All referendum results are meaningless, since there is no way to ascertain who voted how. A recount is impossible. The majority of legitimate Autonomous Community of Catalonia residents who oppose secession either boycotted the illegal referendum, or feared retaliation their “no” vote.

            The Spanish government, the parliament, and the officers in charge of the law enforcement apparatus and army, as well as most Spaniards, are overwhelmingly opposed to the minority of Cataln seditionists. Nobody in Catalonia can or will be able to prevent the national authorities from imposing the national will upon Catalonia.

            The Spanish government will curtly reject all impotent calls for international mediation

            Spain will not allow an illegitimate minority of Catalonians to drag the national territory away from the motherland, and there is nothing that Catalonia or any non-Spaniards can do about it. Twitter has no army. Assange is a loser hiding in some obscure country’s embassy. Nobody of any significance cares about anti-Spanish Fake News propaganda.

            The Spanish authorities have the power and the obligation to defend Spanish sovereignty and Spanish territorial integrity against anti-Spanish, anti-democratic and anti-constitutionalist seditionists. If they fail in this most basic duty of national authority, and if they lack the will to strike down the nation’s enemies, and to defend the will of the majority of Catalonians then they are doomed.

            The clown Puigdemont has nothing on his side but misinformed foreign opinion-wankers and concern-trolls on Twitter. He’s going down.

        • Patriotic American 2 October, 2017 at 15:41 Reply

          Interesting how so many people with recently created accounts with next to no comments or upvotes are suddenly showing up and trying to convince us we should support anarcho-communist scum in their bid to destroy a great nation.

          • Vabadus 4 October, 2017 at 18:21

            Interesting how so many people with recently created accounts with next
            to no comments or upvotes are suddenly showing up and trying to convince
            us we should support anarcho-communist scum in their bid to destroy a
            great nation.

            I’ve had this account for a year or two and usually comment on British websites.

            trying to convince us we should support anarcho-communist scum in their bid to destroy a great nation.

            No, I’m endorsing Catalonian independence. National self-determination is a good thing in and of itself, and is not defined by the people who advocate it at a given time. I do not view politics in terms of electoral cycles, but in generations and through solid principles.

            The staunch anti-immigration traditionalist Enoch Powell was kicked out of his own party in the 1970s for urging opponents of the EEC (now the EU) to vote Labour, then even more solidly socialist than now, since it was the only party against our membership of it at the time. The eternal truth of nationhood was, for him, more important than party, ideology, or the short-termism of thinking in electoral cycles. My attitude towards Catalonia is the same.

            Spain is not an ancient nation; it is a state composed of several nations — Spaniards, Catalonians, Navarrese, Basques, etc. — as recognised by the Spanish Constitution itself. There is no nation being destroyed except the ancient Catalonian one at the hands of a leftist, heavy-handed Spanish state and a silent, useless European Union.

            It is funny to see so-called ‘right-wingers’ and conservatives side with globalism over nationalism. Thankfully, most articles I have seen on the matter in the alt-right media reject this nonsense. I am seeing inveterate europhiles like the well-known centre-leftist former diplomat and blogger Craig Murray, who has spent the last year calling for us to cancel Brexit, now reject the EU in a superb article.

            Seeing the Left eat itself over this is fantastic, and it is now even more difficult for leftists to defend the EU.

          • Patriotic American 4 October, 2017 at 19:19

            You are a far left lunatic pretending to be one of us to create division. Go away.

          • Vabadus 5 October, 2017 at 00:04

            Far-left lunatic? That’s an interesting choice of words for somebody who advocates neo-feudalism. I’d bet good money that I’m considerably to the Right of you, which is why you can’t engage with anything I’ve written.

            You carry on supporting globalism, centralism, and the European Union while the sincere among us support their collapse in the face of the welcome return of nationalism and ethnic identity.

      • craicher 2 October, 2017 at 03:52 Reply

        I don’t have a dog in the fight but I think Vadabus is looking in the long term when the leftist trends fade. He has a point. Same with Scotland. How long would the leftist delusions last if they went independent? As it is now England props up their social experiment. The same in Ireland with the EU. It won’t last forever and when the money dries up, reality hits.

        On that I have never met a Spaniard or Portuguese that was not to the left. One place I spent an extended amount of time in had communist PCP posters all over and they held a big party in the village that it seems everyone came to. I went to.

      • Tyler Durden 2 October, 2017 at 12:48 Reply

        Most Catalans don’t want anything with the EU. We are sick of it. But normies are scared of leaving the EU, so we need to be clever, here.

  8. Eric 1 October, 2017 at 19:56 Reply

    The irony of American mutts trying to ridicule Catalan freedom. The Spanish nation state has been nothing but an oppressor of Catalan language and identity. What part of “Catalonia is NOT Spain” do you Alt-Leftists not understand?

      • Eric 1 October, 2017 at 20:33 Reply

        You know you Americans are pretty much repulsive rejects from a European perspective, right? It’s not like we serious nationalists in Europe want anything to do with you perverse “white” circle jerk.

        I thank internet for I am able to convey this message to you and your forsaken continent.

        • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 20:48 Reply

          “It’s not like we serious nationalists in Europe want anything to do with you perverse “white” circle jerk.”

          Yet here you are commenting on AltRightDotCom, the flagship site for the Alt Right, a completely American movement in origin.

        • Person 12 October, 2017 at 16:48 Reply

          America is still superior to your mother sexually and aesthetically. And so is any cockroach. And any cockroach is superior to any catalan.

          WHAT IS HIBERIC OR LATINO IS WORTHLESS

      • Tyler Durden 2 October, 2017 at 12:55 Reply

        Moorish and Jewish ancestry? We funded the Spanish Inquisition and we kicked them all. Learn how to do wars for your Nation and not for seeing your McDonnellDouglas stocks raise.

    • Captain John Charity Spring MA 1 October, 2017 at 23:37 Reply

      The people of the Iberian Penunsular are welcome to sort this out for themselves.

      Rule 1 never jump into other people’s civil war

    • Crud Bonemeal 1 October, 2017 at 23:50 Reply

      I just think it is pretty funny that you are fighting for your freedom to import more Africans

      Have fun with that

      • Eric 2 October, 2017 at 07:43 Reply

        Africa is closer to Europe than America is. Let’s not forget you were ejected from European civilization, so I’m not interested in your hamburger perspective on Catalonia. America has destroyed Europe more than anything else, and we are NOT “friends”.

        • Crud Bonemeal 2 October, 2017 at 09:26 Reply

          “Africa is closer to Europe than America is.”

          Ok, next time make it more subtle, you blew your cover and ruined your gimmick.

          No matter how much you hate America (and hating it is reasonable), there’s no possible reason to integrate 70 IQ Africans into your country.

      • Tyler Durden 2 October, 2017 at 12:53 Reply

        Africans come for the Merkel-EU-globalist alliance. Don’t put Catalan independence in the middle of it. We’ve been fighting for it for the last 300 years. How old is your country?

  9. Joe Boston 1 October, 2017 at 19:47 Reply

    The fragmentation of all European nations into Scotland-size countries would only be a good thing.
    It can only lead to increased identitarianism and resistance to the presence of non-Whites.

      • Joe Boston 1 October, 2017 at 23:30 Reply

        A clean military sweep by whom?

        By Russia?? Why would Russia want to or even be able to do this? If Russia could conquer divided W. European nations they could conquer intact E. Europe nations but they have not done so (do NOT mention Ukraine; this is not what is happening there)

        By African or Mid East countries???? They are a joke militarily but are in fact conquering Europe by immigration.
        If breaking up Europe into many smaller countries makes them more resistant to this replacement (as I have asserted) then that fracturing would actualy be a good thing.

        Also, some people have asserted, as I believe you might be, that breaking up European countries will make them weeker militarily. I do not believe this is a concern because the militaries of all West European countries are little more than police forces in fatigues. They have no armor, air forces or navies to speak of. Breaking them up into smaller entities would not have as much of an effect as the breakup of the USA would have. The only real concerns (and this might be the only thing that concerns me) are the nukes of the UK and France.

        • Crud Bonemeal 1 October, 2017 at 23:58 Reply

          Ever heard of the free state project?

          The idea was that libertarians would all move to one state and take over.

          Well, whites can’t pull that off.

          But Muslims can.

          If some of these cities were their own separate countries, then Muslims would be the de jure rulers… not just de facto rulers as they are now.

        • Rexterminatus 2 October, 2017 at 06:45 Reply

          I was specifically talking about Islam. It is a nation and it has, what, some 1 billion people as citizens? They are taking part in an EU State sanctioned invasion of Europe right now. If Europe becomes a collection of 10,000 villages, the hordes will just walk in the door with or without invitation. It might be easier to agree to fight them but it wont actually be easier to fight them.

          Remember, these savages practice murder and rape on their own sons and daughters.

    • Captain John Charity Spring MA 1 October, 2017 at 23:38 Reply

      Good for who exactly? American political elites? Maybe Europe should have sided with Dixie.

    • Tyler Durden 2 October, 2017 at 12:56 Reply

      America wants Europe to adopt the American Minority System. The more similar both continents are, the better for American companies to sell their shit. So many annoying languages we speak in Europe! 🙁

  10. Gubbler Chechenova 1 October, 2017 at 19:42 Reply

    Rightist repression under Franco turned Spain into leftist nation. Leftist repression under Soviets made Poland into rightist nation.

  11. Gubbler Chechenova 1 October, 2017 at 19:07 Reply

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences

    Narcissism of small differences.

    We see this all around.

    In Europe, whites fight whites while each side embraces and welcomes non-white invaders and colonizers as allies or friends or objects of worship. Catalan and Castille bash each other while hugging Negroes to show that they are not ‘racist’ and so wonderful by PC rules.

    But we see the same dynamics in the Middle East. Arabs fight Arabs, and Muslims fight Muslims. And all sides invite Western or foreign intervention to help their side against OTHER Muslims. So, Saudis side with the US to harm Syria. Syria sides with Russia. Because Muslims and Arabs always fight among each other, foreign powers can take advantage of the conflict. It’s like what Lawrence said of Arabs, but it also applies to Europeans and whites.

    https://youtu.be/4gMt1PBC5BU?t=3m39s

    And we see it in East Asia. Because of the divisions and bickering among Vietnamese, Chinese, North/South Koreans, and Japanese — these yellows can’t seem to work together — , the US gets to play divide and rule among over the Pacific region.

    At Charlottesville, Alt Right should have marched with the Flags of every European nation and some white Latin American ones as well. Yes, there are differences among white ethnic groups, but every white person must also be Pan-European and remind himself that he has more in common with other whites than with non-whites, especially vile ghastly Negroes.

    • Crud Bonemeal 2 October, 2017 at 00:07 Reply

      LOL no. Start thinking like a Jew.

      You have to control both sides of every issue.

      If you’re a moderate, rational anti-Semite, then the frothing at the mouth, fanatical anti-Semites are one of your best bargaining tools.

      Jews would have no reason to make a deal without PRESSURE. Rising anti-semitism provides that pressure, and frothing at the mouth, fanatical anti-semites make people who only have some mild criticisms of Jewish behavior look eminently reasonable.

      “Look, work with me here, neither of us want to see those madmen empowered, but you really do need to tone down X Y and Z”.

      Jews are certainly looking to cover both sides of the Alt-Right issue. In case we ever do take power, there will be a lot of Jews “supporting” us, but looking to moderate and soften our views at the same time.

  12. Riopel 1 October, 2017 at 17:52 Reply

    Things like Brexit, Calexit, Ukraine, Catalonia, etc. point to the start of a breakdown of the global order. It doesn’t matter if some one of these movements are wrongheaded or not grounded in nationalism. The point is that confidence in the NWO is being lost. We should support them simply because a global breakdown makes it worse for our enemies. What’s the argument in favor of keeping all this shittiness together?

    • Rexterminatus 1 October, 2017 at 20:13 Reply

      Breakdown is worthless unless something better takes its place. This trend logically ends with neckbeards with ARs arguing about the NAP while nogs and durkas rape and pillage to their heart(les)’s content.

  13. Klas2 1 October, 2017 at 17:02 Reply

    For an identitarian like me it is a nobrainer to side with Catalonia in this struggle. The altright.com on the other hand has proven itself to be imperialist rather than identitarian. Whatever convoluted reasons Liddell and Law and Spencer conjure up to try to call this uglyness by some prettier name. Good to know.

          • Johnny Fascismo 2 October, 2017 at 01:11

            He is amusing, I’ll say that much. But if I had the power to ban him I would do so without hesitation or remorse.

          • Rexterminatus 2 October, 2017 at 06:54

            Well, someone just accused me of being an anti-Russian, Ukranian shill paid by some shadow government so I would probably get banned too. I am starting to think this level of mental illness and paranoia is what will destroy any and all White Nationalist movements.

          • Johnny Fascismo 2 October, 2017 at 12:07

            Yeah. Everyone who disagrees with the standard WN narrative is a Jewish shill, just as anyone who disagrees with the standard multifulti narrative is an evil Nazi on the left. It’s a serious character flaw of the movement. I think it’s just a way to avoid having to address legitiment concerns/arguments.

    • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 17:08 Reply

      Did you read the article? Liddell is in favor of Catalan independence. Spencer has generally opposed it. Not surprised Spencer airs opposing viewpoints on his site.

      • Klas2 1 October, 2017 at 17:20 Reply

        You have a big nose. You smell. You have runny eyes. You dont have a good posture. You dress like a muppet. You are a slob. You are overweight. But I think you are a very attractive person.

    • Crud Bonemeal 2 October, 2017 at 00:11 Reply

      Maybe it’s a no brainer because you’re just picking a side without using your brain, because it sounds like it matches your ideology.

      IMHO it seems pretty confusing, and it’s not clear how anything will play out, and neither side seems very good.

      I can come up with a long list of pros and a long list of cons, but you’d need a very concrete understanding to really understand which list will end up being more significant.

  14. Dino Con 1 October, 2017 at 17:00 Reply

    I think it’s also worth noting that, as Greg Johnson put it in his calexit article, a secession would also lead to a lot of leftist Spaniards immigrating to catalonia as well, which would only serve to make Spain that much more right-wing.

  15. Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 15:38 Reply

    Petty Nationalism is dumb and must be opposed in all its form.

    Cases In Point:

    1. Irish Nationalists who blew up Ulster Unionists only to advocate for Nigerian immigration to Ireland.

    2. Scottish Nationalists who want independence and open borders so they can drown in a sea of Pakis and Based Sikhs.

    3. Catalonian Nationalists who attack the Spanish state so they can set up an anti white, Communist government in Barcelona.

    I’ll say it again, Europe needs a Warlord right now.

    • Riopel 1 October, 2017 at 16:51 Reply

      None of that is petty nationalism though. That’s civic- or economic- nationalism, unless you think the two are synonymous.

      • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 16:53 Reply

        Petty nationalism is the Irish trying to reclaim Ulster, the Magyars worried about the Sub Carpathian Rus, the Scottish wanting to break off from the UK, the Catalans asserting their own cultural and national identity in a negative sense contra Spain.

          • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 21:19

            All National identities came about after newspapers and the French Revolution and were in a sense an invention of the Enlightenment.

            Read Benedict Anderson’s Imagined Communities. The Czechs were part of the German Holy Roman Empire for hundreds of years, with Prague the capital of the Empire at various points in time. Later the Czechs were part of the German Habsburg Empire and generally peaceful and amenable to German rule.

            What brought about Czech nationalism and all other forms of nationalism? The intelligentsia reading the news and events of their day in the vernacular language.

          • craicher 2 October, 2017 at 04:11

            Well maybe the nation came from that but the existence of the Czech people was not invented or imagined. I think the example of the Czechs is a good example of how a people can live under a powerful King/Emperor and that power can rule over various peoples without it being multicultural in that the existence and ethnic integrity of the various peoples ruled by said king/emperor is left unmolested.

            With the EU and free movement of people we do not have that. We have the ethnic integrity of European peoples being trampled on by mass movement of people.

        • Nuke Rusich 2 October, 2017 at 00:15 Reply

          I disagree about Zakarpattia. I am a Rusyn-American and I sympathize with the movement because it is the way to freedom for the Rusyn people to escape Ukrainian domination.

          However, I believe ultimately the alignment to Hungary is purely a political convenience to acquire full independence for the non-Hungarian regions of the oblast.

          • Yehudah Finkelstein 2 October, 2017 at 00:18

            I don’t know much about the particulars in the Sub Carpathian Rus.Thanks for your comment. I just hate Jobbik and their Petty Nationalism which antagonizes all of Hungary’s neighbors. This Petty Nationalist revanchism will never end and can lead to shooting wars between whites if it is not checked.

          • Nuke Rusich 4 October, 2017 at 11:45

            I’d prefer to highlight the “Lost Territories” WWII butthurt over the “Lost Territories” WWI butthurt — most of these countries (particularly Germany and Poland) don’t even want the territories back, but they still make petty nationalist issues about them.

        • KonigReich 2 October, 2017 at 10:06 Reply

          So you would rather leave the Hungarians and Rusyns to be assimilated by the Ukrainians? Our people decrease every year in our old borders but that’s okay because petty nationalism is stupid? I agree that Europeans in general shouldn’t fight, but when the Ukrainians and Romanians actively work to destroy our people we should just lay back and take it because “no more brother wars”? No thanks.

        • KonigReich 2 October, 2017 at 10:11 Reply

          I also have no problem with the Irish trying to reclaim Ulster. If the alt right has no problem with Hitler retaking German lands, then the Irish territorial ambitions should also be respected.

        • KonigReich 2 October, 2017 at 10:13 Reply

          In fact by supporting say Romanian rule of Transylvania, we’re supporting “petty nationalism” that happened a hundred years ago vs. the thousand year rule over the territory by Hungary. Same with all the other territories that were lost in Trianon.

    • MasBirras 1 October, 2017 at 17:07 Reply

      This. There are three separatist parties in Catalonia, not a single one of them is identitarian, two are communists and they all refuse the “nationalist” label, opting for the “we are oppressed” line. Third worldism is rampant here, it’s actually part of the hipster aesthetics. Middle class kids want to be some oppressed third world minority, they’ve been loving it for 10 years now. Petty regionalism is the perfect term.
      And no one has read or gives two fucks about Orwell’s book here. Sounds like some British fixation.

    • Fred 1 October, 2017 at 22:12 Reply

      Catalans are whiter than most of the rest of the Iberian Peninsula. White people want to separate from the peninsula filled with Andalusians, Murcians, and others. Reminds me Texas independence drive from Mexico.

      One take from Catalans’ independence drive is that civic nationalism does NOT work. It is even a less achievable utopia than communism.

      • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 22:16 Reply

        So Catalans want to separate from White Iberians to create a leftist shitbird state that opens up immigration. As I sad about Farage and Brexit on Colin’s other article, WTF?!

        • Fred 1 October, 2017 at 22:33 Reply

          Catalans are whiter than most Iberians. Catalans want to create a homeland for themselves. There no leftist or pro-immigration angles there. Immigrants are naturally more attracted to a rich and industrialized country than other parts of Iberian peninsula.

          • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 22:37

            All of the forces pushing for Catalan independence are leftist and open borders, much like the Scottish Nationalists. Who the hell cares how white the Scots and Catalans are if they want to break off from their nation states just to create mini Swedens?

          • Fred 1 October, 2017 at 22:47

            I would say that a misconception. Unlike French and English, Catalans stick to themselves. Look at FC Barcelona: max 1-2 Black players, the rest are white. French teams are nearly entirely African.

            The Catalan language is difficult to dindus and like every small nations Catalans will protect themselves. South Americans dislike Catalans for their unique language and nationalism.

            Barcelona is not a characteristic Catalan city. Try Lleida or Sabadell. You won’t find many arabs or dindus there. Have you seen any referendum videos? Not a single non-White person to participate in referendum.

            The leftist government does not necessarily means open borders. The Soviet Union always had closed borders…

          • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 23:03

            Dude, an independent Catalonia is going to be like Sweden, not East Germany or the USSR.

          • America is Kiked 3 October, 2017 at 18:56

            “Catalans want to create a homeland for themselves.” – no they don’t. Catalans have communities in 4 countries and millions live in other parts of Spain..

        • Tyler Durden 2 October, 2017 at 12:59 Reply

          Catalans have been fighting for the independence during the last 300 years. The rapefugee thing is 5 years old.

      • MasBirras 2 October, 2017 at 05:44 Reply

        Catalonia whiter than the athlantic Spain, Asturias, Cantabria, Galicia, Basque country, or Castilla y León? What a load of nonsense.

    • fnd111 2 October, 2017 at 05:16 Reply

      Their problem is not Madrid, it is Brussels. They do not seem to realize that. They need Franco & Queen Isabella. +FD

  16. Nova Morium 1 October, 2017 at 15:29 Reply

    Interesting…..

    Thanks, Mr. Lidell……..

    Not sure where I stand on this one…….

    It is disturbing to see 761 become injured at last report…….

    …..some by Rubber Bullets from the violent Spanish National Police crackdown……..

    …..just for showing up to Vote…….

    I don’t support that…….

  17. Afterthought 1 October, 2017 at 14:33 Reply

    The “alt right”, having wrong-footed itself yet again with initial anti-secession noises from Spencer et al is now scrambling (yet again) to catch up to reality.

    The issue of Catalonia has always been an easy one for our movement; small nations are the bulwark against demographic destruction, superstates are demographic doom. Why are the “leaders” failing so much?

    It’s time to start considering if envelopes full of cash are at play here; payments to “leaders” to fuck up repeatedly.

    • Fred 1 October, 2017 at 15:10 Reply

      Spencer did not know the subject to begin with. Why he decided to make a wrong footed comment beats me. Catalunya is not Depeche Mode or another Bond movie.

    • Nova Morium 1 October, 2017 at 15:32 Reply

      I guess you didn’t read the above Article…..

      A Leftist Urbane Nation is the Bulwark against Demographic Destruction???

      Ha!!

      And your last Afterthought??

      What???

    • Klas2 1 October, 2017 at 17:07 Reply

      Spencers ideology is to create an american led empire with whiteness as the glue to hold it together. Secessionism is something he instinctively dislike.

      • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 17:18 Reply

        America has a different experience than Europe.

        We are white and largely mixed European. So it makes sense to form a “White Identitarian” movement in America.

        • Klas2 1 October, 2017 at 17:20 Reply

          Yes. I have no criticizm of Spencer et al in the US. I think they do very good work. However, at least to me, it is very jarring when they speak about Europe on this topic.

          • Rexterminatus 1 October, 2017 at 20:09

            We Americans are watching our European brothers start back down the path of nationalism for the sake of soil and name and language while ignoring the blood. It looks to us like you are going to die if you are French before you are White. German before you are White. Argentinian before you are….wait.

          • Klas2 1 October, 2017 at 20:54

            The american involvement in European affairs have been catastrophic up until now. Now that you are less european than ever, why would it be any less catastrophic for us? Do not legitimize that which is destroying us. Avoiding wars is not a reason for anything.

          • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 20:57

            What you as Europeans need to do is form some kind of united Empire. That is your only way to counteract Pax Americana. Expecting that you can just retreat to your Westphalian nation states and be left alone is incredibly naive.

            Believe me, most of us Identitarians in America want American influence (which is actually Jewish influence) around the world to crash and burn, but you as Europeans need to step up to the plate and assert yourselves. Or Else Putin or the Americans will assert their will upon you.

          • Klas2 2 October, 2017 at 04:05

            I know that most identitarians and even most of the Alt Right are negative to US power projection. Which is a very good thing.
            The influence is done by corruption and manipulation. This is easier to do the bigger the power centers and the further away from people the people the authority lies. The more fragmentation, the harder the corruption strategy is. Smaller entities are much weaker in producing military protection, for sure. But as of today, that is not the problem.

          • craicher 2 October, 2017 at 04:21

            Ignore that Rex guy. He’s an infiltrator who tries to whip up support for war on Russia via Ukraine on here. Pure shill and probably a paid agent.

          • Rexterminatus 2 October, 2017 at 06:51

            I….have never, to my knowledge, made a post about Russia or Ukraine. I focus on the American South.

            God it is easy to get called a paid shill. Maybe I should see if I actually can get a check.

          • craicher 2 October, 2017 at 06:55

            Sorry, maybe I confused you with someone else with Rex in his name. I retract my statement if that is true.

          • Rexterminatus 2 October, 2017 at 06:59

            Yeah, so to eliminate any and all confusion between me and any other Rex(s) I will make this claim.

            There are millions of American communists that I would raise my rifle against before I would ever raise it against a random Russian soldier. Or a Ukranian soldier.

          • Vabadus 5 October, 2017 at 00:27

            We have it already – the European Union. We Britons rejected it. It has crushed Greece. It literally stole the savings of Cypriot bank account holders. It removed Italy’s Prime Minister.

            All empires end in failure. The correct answer is not to rival the US but to advocate the American isolationism Pat Buchanan has been screaming about for 40 years.

            We can trade and co-operate as cousins without vast supranational structures whose lifeblood is international liberalism.

          • Rexterminatus 1 October, 2017 at 21:33

            War is only useful if there is a coherent end in mind and in planning. Watching you kill each other isn’t in the cards. If you push us on this you will find out just how European we still are.

          • Klas2 2 October, 2017 at 04:07

            Spoken like a true imperialist. But I know your game. I know that you americans are behind the mass migration to europe. You are only 320 milion people. But still you dominate the world. In order to continue to do so you want large numbers of jihadis in Europe so that you can destroy any country that is not utterly subservient to you by supporting said jihadis. As you have done in so many other places.
            Fair enough. There is nothing i can do to stop this. But at least have the decency of owning up to the utter evil you have become?

          • Rexterminatus 2 October, 2017 at 07:44

            Hey, the email that I received had the text before you edited it. I want you to know that I hate the American system of imperialism. It HAS helped to destroy Europe to make sure that the ascendants can take over. The only good use of our power would be to gather up and galvanize Europe. Make no mistake. I love my nation but if the only way to save Europe is to tear out its heart…so be it.

          • Klas2 2 October, 2017 at 08:07

            If you want to help us, then take the NSA and the US banks out of our politicians and take the US troops out of Europe. And stop the tax exemption in the US for donating to “worthy causes”. Huge money flows into corrupting european political and cultural life this way. For example, check out the CEPA donors?

            And accept that war is a necessity for any human society. Without regular states of war we do not function properly. War between europeans does not ligitimize US involvement. Please learn the lesson from the two world wars. Whenever you meddle here you only make the situation worse. You only have the power to destroy, not to create.

    • Captain John Charity Spring MA 1 October, 2017 at 18:48 Reply

      Barcelona is a hive of Africans. It’ll only get worse with Socialists running the area as a state.

    • Crud Bonemeal 2 October, 2017 at 00:20 Reply

      What are the odds that any particular American has a truly informed opinion on Catalan secession?

      What are the odds that anyone who comments on this issue is doing anything other than repeating stuff from the media?

      I think we do have some boomer ex-pat in the comments giving the boomer ex-pat perspective, which is in a sense more informed than the “i know nothing” perspective the rest of us are giving… but also liable to be kind of one sided at best.

      The reality is that this issue just isn’t very important to Americans and they don’t know much, but they feel like they should have an opinion.

      (Not accusing the authors of these articles of ignorance, just saying I can’t even critique their articles, because I am too ignorant. They could write whatever they want, and I’d just have to nod.)

      • Johnny Fascismo 2 October, 2017 at 01:07 Reply

        This is my feeling too. If Catalonians want independence from Spain who am I to say it’s a mistake. I’m not Catalonian or Spanish and I know very little about the issues surrounding this. All nations and peoples have a right to their own autonomy, sovreignty and independence. As a nationalist (a real nationalist, what some call a “petty nationalist”, not a civic nationalist) it would be hypcritical of me to oppose their right to determine their own destiny. If they go in a direction that doesn’t turn out well for them, thats on them.

        • Crud Bonemeal 2 October, 2017 at 01:22 Reply

          IMHO it’s easy to get persuaded into taking a self defeating position by concerning yourself with hypocrisy and principle.

          Just because I want “nationalism” and/or secession for my people, doesn’t mean I support it everywhere in the world, if there are costs and/or negative outcomes that outweigh it.

          If some group of Polish people wanted to secede and create a state for their micro-nation, but they also planned to impose communism and bring in more migrants that the rest of the country did not want, I would never support them.

          That’s a more clear cut example, in Spain it’s unclear to me, because it seems both sides suck.

          • Johnny Fascismo 2 October, 2017 at 01:44

            Yeah I see your point. Still, if Catalonia feels like they are a unique people and their differences with the Spanish are irreconcilable then they should probably leave and sink or swim based on their own merit. I feel the same way about French Canadian nationalism. They narrowly voted to remain in Canada twice, and I feel it has only served to keep Canada divided. It’s a marriage of convenience rather than love, and both parties aren’t really happy but it’s easier to just grin and bear it than go through a potentially messy divorce. Who knows what Quebec would look like today had they left in 1994.

          • Johnny Fascismo 3 October, 2017 at 23:44

            I admit I haven’t been following this close enough to have an opinion. I’m just saying I don’t have a problem with unique groups in a nation breaking off and forming their own seperate nation, if thats what they decide they want to do. Even if I disagree on the directions they want to go in. I support Scottish independence too.

          • America is Kiked 5 October, 2017 at 02:38

            They are not. Catalans are a nationality according to Spanish law, not a nation. This distinction was specifically ruled on by the supreme court. Catalans are not Catalonians. Catalans live in Valencia, Andorra, Italy, France, Aragon, and other places. Catalonians are minority Catalan. “Catalonians” in the present context just means residents of the Autonomous Community of Catalonia, the majority of whom speak Spanish as their first and native and habitual language, and 15% of whom are not Spanish.

            And section 2 of the Spanish Constitution expressly forbids any secessionism.

            “Section 2: The Constitution is based on the indissoluble unity of the Spanish Nation, the common and indivisible homeland of all Spaniards; it recognizes and guarantees the right to selfgovernment of the nationalities and regions of which it is composed and the solidarity among them all.”

          • Vabadus 5 October, 2017 at 00:20

            Devon inhabitants do not have a separate history, ethnicity, language, national culture, or ancient constitution, nor does the British constitution recognise them as a separate nation.

            The reverse is true for Catalonians – who have the added misfortune of being battered in their streets by the armed agents of the leftist Spanish state for once again expressing their desire for national self-determination.

            The Basques should seize this opportunity to resume terrorism. The status quo needs to be pushed to the brink of survival. I’m hoping things get worse there so the EU is plunged into further chaos.

          • America is Kiked 5 October, 2017 at 02:39

            “Devon inhabitants do not have a separate history, ethnicity, language, national culture, or ancient constitution, nor does the British constitution recognise them as a separate nation.” — Neither do Autonomous Community of Catalonia inhabitants.

            You are ignorant.

  18. Fred 1 October, 2017 at 14:20 Reply

    Finally, there is a literate article on the Catalan strive for independence from Altright. The footage I have seen, particularly from Girona, just confirmed that Frankistas, falangistas and Spanish inquisition are still very much in charge of Castile. This is our future in the Southwest if and when Mexicans take over.

    My foot will never ever step on the soil of Castile.

    • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 15:48 Reply

      Still spending 450 Euro to watch El Clasico in person?

      Oh, and the Spanish Inquisition served a purpose. To rid Spain of Jews and Muslims after a 900 year occupation by the Moors.

      • Fred 1 October, 2017 at 16:20 Reply

        Catalunya was only occupied by 50 years.
        The problem is that the next El Clasico is in Madrid. My foot will not step on to Castile soil again.

        • Yehudah Finkelstein 1 October, 2017 at 16:51 Reply

          Why are you wasting money on sportsball?

          Even Trump, Boomer that he is, is calling out Sportsball Non-white athletes.

          • Fred 1 October, 2017 at 22:09

            Real football is totally different than one-country sports followed in this country. The main reason I liked FC Barcelona because it was compiled of 7-8 Catalans out of 11 players in 2010-2011. The real football teams are expressions of national identity, which appeals to me as an identitarian. You just can’t pull together 11 nationals without having a national expression on the pitch.

            When I am on camp Nou it is football but also a vivid expression of Catalan identity. When Barca scores against Madrid, strangers hug each on Camp Nou. You become one part of the wholesome nation. This feeling is totally foreign in America after decades of brainwashing towards sickening individualism.

            I will never get an attachment to college teams. I will never get an attachment to a team which consists of majority Black thugs who might as well be on another planet from me.

            But 7-8 Catalans who look like me and express their identity on the field – is worth watching.

          • Yehudah Finkelstein 2 October, 2017 at 00:15

            There are many, many things that are a better use of time than wasting money to attend La Liga football.

  19. epleguy 1 October, 2017 at 14:12 Reply

    The alt-right should definitely support Catalonian independence, if you don’t, you are effectively a civic nationalist. Which seems rather odd. If the Catalonians feel they are different than the Spaniards then they most likely are, let them have their own country. And if it’s true that they are a leftist movement, then all the better for the rest of Spain. Why would you want to keep such people? If they are more nationalist and will protect their culture then that is also so much better. It’s a win-win either way, but regardless it’s the right thing to do. Self-determination.

  20. Clark Kent 1 October, 2017 at 13:57 Reply

    Nice article summarizing what’s going on.
    I disagree with you on Gaudi’s architecture though, some of it is pretty amazing and fits nicely into the landscape. Looks like Dali paintings come to life.

    • Mel Gibson's Beard 1 October, 2017 at 14:53 Reply

      Unlikely. Accession to the EU, as I understand it, requires that all member states ratify revisions to the foundational treaty(ies) to include the prospective addition. In other words, Spain would have to agree to Catalonia joining.

      • Игор 1 October, 2017 at 15:30 Reply

        Cyprus entered as special case, same goes with Kosovo and Metohija ( or republic Kosova) how’s called by freedom lovers, but yeah there would be some bureaucratic issues to solve there.

  21. MBNM 1 October, 2017 at 13:38 Reply

    Exactly. Large unions and federations may stabilize regions but they also make them stagnate. If the place is destined to fail then let it fail, it’ll do better after learning that lesson. A catalunyan secession would also embolden other separatists which would weaken globalists to a certain degree. Keeping in mind the alt-right is a decentralized rebellion we should absolutely be supporting Western movements that make the geopolitical landscape more chaotic.