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The Alt-Right and the Homosexual Question — Part 2

As both a contemporary and historical phenomenon, it is difficult to separate homosexual behavior from pederasty, so reliant has the former been upon the latter.

Also read: Part 1; Part 3.


The Incompatibility of Homosexuality with Alt-Right Principles

One of the main reasons for the instinctive aversion to the subject of homosexuality is the strong correlation of homosexual behavior with disease and bodily degradation and deterioration. Contrary to high-minded philosophizing, health is not merely a personal or private matter, but a political one. In the over-populated mass societies in which we now live, the cost of healthcare in a market of increasingly scarce resources becomes, by necessity, a political issue — and this fact stands even in the context of privatized medicine, where premiums and costs will still be dictated to a great extent by expenditure in particular areas. The relationship between homosexuality and health in the mass society thus becomes not merely a matter of what is done behind the closed doors of the individual, but a matter of at least some public interest — especially if homosexuality can be determined to be a net financial drain on the resources of the vast majority of the population. If such a drain can be established, homosexuality necessarily becomes a subject of political discussion, and silence on the issue (the status quo in the political mainstream) becomes a political decision of sorts.

There is now a large body of evidence from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and similar organizations outside the United States, indicating that homosexuals suffer from worse than average health and that much of this is rooted in health-negative lifestyle choices. For example, both male and female homosexuals engage in much higher rates of cigarette smoking and ‘binge’ alcohol consumption. The greater health problem of homosexuals has of course long been rooted in the sphere of venereal disease. The body of literature on this topic is so large and readily available that it doesn’t need to be repeated here, but some facts in relation to this matter are particularly noteworthy. In recent decades rates of HIV/AIDS transmission in almost every demographic have witnessed very significant reductions, and in very recent years this trend has accelerated dramatically. For example, between 2008 and 2014 transmission rates among drug users fell by 56%, while transmission rates among the sexually normal fell by 36%. This can be seen as a triumph of education and intervention (albeit at an extravagant cost to the Federal government — $980 million annually). It is interesting, however, that the CDC finds that homosexuals are the only group which has failed to respond to these costly interventionist efforts. Latino homosexuals and those aged between 25 and 34 saw increases in rates of transmission of 20% and 35% respectively. The rates of Black homosexual diagnoses for HIV/AIDS increased 22% overall between 2005 and 2014, while the figure among Black homosexuals aged between 13 and 24 increased an astonishing 87%. The starting point of that particular age range is, of course, concerning, to say the least, and will be discussed in more detail later.

The annual cost of caring for and treating all HIV/AIDS sufferers in the United States has been ascertained as $16.4 billion annually. Since homosexuals comprise at least 55% of all persons with HIV (while constituting an absolute maximum of 4.1% of the total population), a figure that is rising rapidly every year, one could surmise that the annual cost of merely attempting to manage the health implications of homosexual behavior relating solely to this disease is at least $9 billion. In the context of a privatized healthcare system, these costs can be dispersed in sufficiently opaque ways so as to avoid arousing the attention of the greater public. Such an inordinate and frivolous absorption of resources is less easy to obscure in a socialized system, where health budgets and expenditures are subject to more glaring critique. An excellent example in this regard was a recent complaint in the United Kingdom, where Pre-exposure Prophylaxis (PrEP) was set for roll-out at a cost of up to £20 million. At a time when children were being denied new forms of cancer treatment on financial grounds, some commentators managed to break through political correctness long enough to make quiet objections to PrEP, a drug with the primary ‘health benefit’ of enabling the abandonment of condoms for those infected with HIV.

In addition to the runaway problem of HIV/AIDS, homosexuals are the leading cause of the rapid spread of other sexually transmitted diseases, an area of public health that is becoming increasingly expensive. For example, scientists in several countries have now identified a new antibiotic-resistant strain of gonorrhea. Doctors feared this new strain reaching homosexuals in particular because their behaviors and characteristics are known to exacerbate such diseases. Peter Greenhouse, a consultant in sexual health based in Bristol, England, told BBC News: “We’ve been worried it would spread to men who have sex with men…The problem is [they] tend to spread infections a lot faster simply as they change partners more quickly.” The BBC adds that homosexuals “are also more likely to have gonorrhea in their throats. Their further resistance is more likely to develop as antibiotics get to the throat in lower doses and the area is also teeming with other bacteria that can share the resistance to drugs.” This new strain of the disease has in fact now taken hold among homosexual populations, and medical professionals are bracing themselves for soaring numbers of diagnoses and accompanying care costs for the affected.

Aside from transmittable disease, homosexual behavior takes a grim and nauseating physical toll on the human body, a fact so well-documented and as to obviate any need to recount the odious details here. Perhaps even more importantly, however, homosexual behavior is often accompanied by a range of mental pathologies. A UK Adult Psychiatric Morbidity Survey from 2007 revealed that rates of depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, phobia, self-harm, suicidal thoughts, and alcohol and drug dependence were significantly higher in homosexual respondents. A common rejoinder to such findings is that homosexuals have such a high incidence of mental health problems because of wider social oppression. This claim is a dubious one given contemporary mass indulgence, protection, and endorsement of homosexual behavior, and quite reminiscent of explanations for criminal behavior and other social malfunctions among Blacks. These explanations fail to account for the common denominator found in both Black and homosexual populations: high levels of traits typically associated with psychopathic behavior. These include, but are not limited to: higher rates of promiscuity; a greater tendency to high-risk activity; higher rates of intimate partner violence;1 low levels of impulse control; and a tendency towards bouts of an exaggerated sense of self-esteem/importance quite detached from reality. In another indicator of psychopathy, studies have shown that homosexuals, like Blacks, commit homicides in the “brutal” category at a rate higher than sexually normal Whites.2 Homosexuals, even juvenile homosexuals, are also over-represented as sexual murderers.3 A less popular and politically correct, but eminently logical, supposition might be that the range of mental pathologies experienced by homosexuals is, rather than an externally provoked situation, coterminous with the overall psychological profile of the homosexual.

Assessed as vectors of disease, and as a group likely to be a significantly greater drain on mental health and related resources, homosexuals can be reasonably argued to act as a much greater burden on national health budgets than the sexually normal. Due to political correctness, it would be impossible in the current academic and political climate to obtain the funding and support necessary to conduct a full and precise assessment of the financial burden of the homosexual population, much less hold a debate on whether this population is worth the extravagant overspending that it consumes, and apparently feels entitled to consume. However, it should be a political principle of the Alt-Right that this is an investigation and a debate that should take place, not in order to morally lecture or police people on ‘what they do in their bedrooms,’ but in order to ensure that the most vital areas of national and ethnic health enjoy their fully-deserved access to as many resources as possible. For example, children are the future of the nation and it should be a cast-iron political position of the Alt-Right that no situation should ever arise whereby children’s health is financially disprivileged while exorbitant funds are directed at chronically problematic adult groups, of which homosexuals are inarguably one.

Aside from issues of disease, demographics are another biological reason why homosexuality should be regarded as a political issue worthy of attention. In this regard, it has been argued historically that homosexuality threatens the demographics of a nation because it is reliant on ‘converts’ and thus, in recruiting individuals from the reproductive population, leads to an overall decline in birthrates. This may be regarded as the ‘homosexual conspiracy’, or ‘recruitment’ theory of homosexual demographic impact. My own impression is that the ‘recruitment’ problem is not as severe a demographic problem as some of the proponents of this argument maintain, mainly because I believe that an overwhelming majority of the population, apart from the psychologically vulnerable (children and adolescents in particular), would be impervious to homosexual efforts to propagandize their specific behaviors. A more potent demographic impact of homosexuality, in my opinion, is the transmission and tolerance of more generalized aspects of homosexual behavior to the normal population — hedonism, childlessness, substance abuse, promiscuity, and the relatively novel idea that relationships are exclusively about love or similar abstractions — all of which will lead to a drop in birthrates. Despite my own opinion, both demographic arguments require further elucidation.

The reliance of homosexuals on ‘recruitment,’ most often in the form of pederasty, has been well documented throughout history. At present, homosexuality has not been conclusively determined to have been caused by either genetic or environmental factors. Whatever its causes, homosexual behavior was always a minority problem. Attempts by modern scholars, often those with a ‘dog in the fight,’ to read homosexual behavior into this or that historical era or individual are often riddled with logical errors, use of anachronistic terminologies, and omissions of contrary data. However, what we can ascertain is that homosexual behavior was evident in ancient Greece and Rome, but appears to have been less common in northern Europe. Also in evidence is an abundance of primary documentation from contemporaries critical of homosexual behavior. An example combining both of these realities is the description by Tacitus of the Germanic tribes taking “the man stained with abominable vices” and plunging him “into the mire of the morass with a hurdle put over him” — an indictment of some of the tolerances of Roman society as well as an accurate anthropological description of ancient Nordic social governance.

Hostility and aversion to the ‘recruiting’ or pederastic elements of homosexuality were commonplace in Imperial Rome. We know from Polybius that the Roman army punished homosexual relations between soldiers with death, and from Valerius Maximus that the upper echelons of the armies of the middle and late Republic were forced to confront incidents where homosexual officers had been sexually molesting young subordinates. Indeed, Tacitus remarks that one of the main reasons for the revolt of the Batavians, a Germanic tribe on the Rhine, against the Romans was the conscription, and subsequent molestation, of their youths in the Roman army. Whatever tolerance was shown to such behavior by Imperial authorities, it appears to have increased along with the decline of the Empire.

The link between the toleration of homosexual behavior and civilizational decline is an interesting one. Although both Parmenides and Aristotle argued that heredity played a large role in the homosexuality of the Greeks, and more especially the Dorians, Havelock Ellis, the early ‘sexologist,’ argued that the prevalence of what he called “sexual inversion” in Greek society was rooted more in the human “herd instinct” and was due more to a “state of social feeling that however it originated, induced a large proportion of the ordinary population to adopt homosexuality as a fashion.” Once a society adopted this fashion, it contributed to the “demoralizing of the manhood of a nation,” and was a sign of impending national or civilizational collapse into decadence and despondency. The goal was thus to avoid a situation in which homosexual ‘recruitment’ was “normalized” and, more crucially, to prevent the behaviors associated with these psychological disorders from becoming fashionable. This connection between homosexual behavior and civilizational decline is simply too large in scope to properly deal with here, but it should remain a background note to our consideration of the issue as a whole. More specifically, it is necessary to give some consideration to Ellis’ theory that homosexuality became ‘fashionable’ in Ancient Greece. By what means?

As both a contemporary and historical phenomenon, it is difficult to separate homosexual behavior from pederasty, so reliant has the former been upon the latter. The introduction of the legal decree Lex Scantina by the Romans around 149 B.C. appears to have been a reaction to the rape and sexual abuse of young male citizens, and a number of prosecutions against Senators and other Roman elites are documented. The pederastic preference among homosexuals appears to have survived the last two millennia but is currently inhibited from full ‘expression’ by legal, social, and cultural obstacles. For example, in one 2000 study of sexual age preferences by orientation, psychologists found that homosexuals were on average most likely to select the youngest possible option: a teenage boy. By contrast, sexually normal males were most likely to select a 25-year-old female.4 It is highly controversial to suggest that homosexuals may be more likely to sexually abuse children, and due to a lack of reliable studies, such an argument is not advanced here. However, there are very credible studies indicating that child sexual abuse plays a role in the development of homosexuality — a form of ‘recruitment,’ for lack of a better term. For example, a 2001 study in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that “gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation.”5

Given the historical and contemporary prominence of the pederastic element, the ‘homosexual conspiracy’ or recruitment theory should be regarded as pertinent to demographic decline mainly in respect to the relationship of the homosexual to children or adolescents. In an earlier age, Havelock Ellis was able to advance the opinion that homosexuals should be prevented from coming into close contact with children since his studies indicated that this would reduce the incidence of “acquired perversity in others” via abuse and ensuing psychological disturbance. According to Ellis, adhering to this measure alone would act rapidly to reduce “artificial homosexuality among the general population.” An academic expressing such an opinion today would at the very least lose his job, or in other cases perhaps even find himself imprisoned for ‘hate speech.’ And yet the high rate of self-reported childhood molestation among homosexuals has yet to be adequately explained or its broader ramifications discussed. At any rate, it could be reasonably postulated, based on studies like that above and a high volume of anecdotal evidence (e.g. the personal account of molestation from Milo Yiannopoulos), that pederasty begets pederasty. Such a postulation would go some way towards explaining how a tolerated but maligned vice may if left to metastasize, reach greater proportions within a society than may otherwise have been the case — to become ‘fashionable.’

These findings are important on a movement level. Like the Imperial Roman army, we aim to create an environment of camaraderie, loyalty, teamwork, and, where necessary, authority. It is an unfortunate fact that, also like the Imperial Roman army, there would be a vulnerable minority among the younger members of the community to those who would abuse authority for perverse ends. Far from mere conjecture, anecdotal evidence and historical data suggest that homosexuals have routinely exploited any tolerance shown to them in such environments — from Imperial Rome to the presence of pederasts in the Sturmabteilung of the 1930s and the British National Front of the 1970s. Such a threat is not the stuff of nightmares or unfounded anxieties; it is a proven reality. In terms of its pederastic component, the tolerance of homosexuals in the movement is thus, at the very least a disaster for morale (and a cause for division between those who are alarmed and those two turn a blind eye), and at worst a personal disaster for the unfortunate victim of ‘recruitment.’

Recent decades have witnessed waves of ‘educational’ efforts promoting ‘tolerance and understanding’ of homosexuality among the young. This is of course propaganda rather than education because the biological, psychological, and pederastic elements of homosexuality are entirely omitted in favor of misleading representations of homosexuals as being socially identical to the sexually normal. Perhaps even more notable is the fact that even our own movement has tolerated similar ‘educational’ efforts promoting ‘tolerance and understanding’ of homosexuality. I am of course referring to the substantial volume of homosexual apologetics emanating from Counter-Currents Publishing. It is necessary to examine and critique some examples.

Homosexual Apologetics within White Nationalism

In a Counter-Currents article titled ‘Homosexuality and White Nationalism,’ Greg Johnson states that members of our movement shouldn’t be concerned about homosexuality because, one, “it is beside the point,” and two, “intolerance of homosexuality is Jewish.” The rationale in the first instance is that “White Nationalism should be a one-issue political outlook. White Nationalism is for the interests of Whites and against the interests of our racial enemies. Period.” The presentation of such a simplified argument is quite clever because, superficially at least, it is difficult to disagree with the statement of such a priority. However, it leaves a great deal unsaid. What does it mean for something to be “for the interests of Whites”? What about the health, and health resources, of Whites? What about the demographics of Whites? What about the morale of movements for White identity, and White culture at large? Homosexuality and its promotion can be demonstrated as being in opposition to all of these interests. A movement reduced to an unsophisticated “one-issue political outlook” would be cartoonishly absurd, lacking in nuance and direction. Pointing to “the interests of our racial enemies” in the context of such an apologetic is also an absurdity. Homosexuals, like other antisocials, violate and disturb the social norms of our people, placing themselves at the disposal of the enemies of our people, and acting as a weapon for their plans.

Johnson proceeds to argue that we should “resist falling for any form of the divide and conquer strategy used by our enemies to destroy our solidarity.” Homosexuals are said to be “real assets” to the movement because they “are intelligent and accomplished…Are freer to speak their minds because they give fewer hostages to fortune. They also have more free time and more disposable income to devote to the cause.” Truthfully, what loss would we experience by exiling these ‘real assets’? Where are all these homosexuals, so much ‘freer to speak their minds’? Where are they, other than producing anonymous homosexual apologetics? Yes, a great many members of our movement are anonymous. There is no inherent shame in that. But homosexuals have not distinguished themselves by bravely taking to the front line, or by filling our coffers with funds. The article continues: “Battles between gays and straights, men and women, pagans and Christians, Nordics and Mediterraneans, Celts and WASPs, Germans and Slavs, etc. have no place in the White Nationalist movement.” What a clever lie it is to suggest that the removal of homosexuals would entail the same scale of conflict as would ensue between Germans and Slavs. How many homosexuals are in our circles? Not many. And those that are here, for the time being, would be no loss, numerically or otherwise, in the eventuality of their departure.

The idea that “hostility to homosexuality is Jewish” is as insidious as it is false. The claim rests on a combination of poor understanding of pre-Christian European attitudes towards homosexuality and a predictable infatuation with a generalized view of the more appealing (to the modern homosexual) culture of the ancient Mediterranean. Firstly, as a northern European, I am concerned more with the ancient customs and traditions of my own ancestors — Saxon, Celt, and Norse. We have already mentioned the account from Tacitus on the execution of homosexuals by submerging them in bogs, but the pre-Christian Anglo-Saxons also engaged in the ceremonial execution of sexual deviants. In Anglo-Saxon Deviant Burial Customs (Oxford, 2009), Andrew Reynolds reports on the burial of homosexuals in pairs, their bodies decapitated and buried face down, and weighted down with stones — pagan methods intended to prevent the dead from entering the afterlife or from returning to haunt the living.6

Such examples aside, the more pertinent historical context is the understanding of the basis of pre-Christian law. Homosexual apologists have made much of the fact that pre-Christian Europe apparently had no specific laws against homosexuality, and have used this absence to argue for a putative tolerance of homosexuality in those ancient cultures. What they fail to understand or acknowledge, however, is that before the coming of Christianity most European tribes or nations had no concept of state-administered punishment for crime, and thus had no laws that would conform to such a scheme of punishment. Criminal law itself, such as it existed in the northern fringes of Europe, was almost exclusively based on oral traditions, and was loose and pragmatic. Anyone familiar with the Icelandic Sagas [in which accusations of homosexuality are a primary and severe insult between characters] will be aware that murder, for example, was something that would have to be either personally avenged by the murdered party’s relatives or be arbitrated by an ad hoc tribal court.

The lack of a written law against murder in this instance, or the lack of a fixed, state-administered punishment for it, did not suggest ‘tolerance’ or ‘acceptance’ of murder. Such an argument would be absurd. In the same way, it would be intellectually unsophisticated, if not disingenuous, to suggest that the same societies were ‘tolerant’ or ‘accepting’ of homosexuality. Like all arguments based on an ‘absence of X,’ this is especially weak. The exposed nature of such an argument is made even more problematic by the existence of pre-Christian legal codes which, while not legislating specifically against homosexuality, clearly locate it, via the available legal contexts, outside the normal and the desirable. An interesting case in this regard comes from Ireland’s ancient, pre-Christian, ‘Brehon Law’ — the oldest surviving codified legal system in Europe, and possibly a relic from the first proto-Indo-European populations. Like most examples of pre-Christian legal codes from North-Western Europe, Brehon Law was a civil rather than criminal code. Interestingly, it makes a provision for women to divorce their husbands if they were found to be homosexuals.

Roman law, which to a greater extent than any contemporary nation did develop state-administered punishment, is very interesting in the same regard. Lacking a Christian God to offer divine authority and direction, the Romans legislated against asocial activity in a manner that balanced individual freedom (a long-cherished European trait) with social priorities (order, health, stability, decorum). Since Roman law legislated against pederasty, as well as homosexual activity between freeborn males (in some cases under threat of execution), Roman law should be regarded as having de facto outlawed homosexuality in the form in which is mainly exists today. The fact that a Roman male citizen could legally engage in sexual activity with a slave (regarded as property with no bodily individuality or self-ownership), or with a prostitute (a sub-human in social and legal terms), is not a strong counter-argument. In short, there is at least sufficient evidence of opposition to homosexuality in pre-Christian Europe to refute the blatant falsity that ‘opposition to homosexuality is Jewish.’

On this point, however, one might ask — even if hostility to homosexuality was, in fact, a Jewish invention, would that be sufficient for us to discard it? Didn’t Jews, as Disraeli often boasted, also ‘lead the way’ in terms of codifying the racial principle? Should we, therefore, abandon all efforts to foster European ethnocentrism because Jews are ethnocentric? Obviously not. In truth, hostility towards homosexuality is rooted in human universals — a desire to protect the young, the preservation of social mores and decorum, and the promotion of social health and demographic growth. As a demographically vulnerable but ambitious tribe, with an authoritarian obsession with social rules rooted in self-segregation and ethnocentrism, it is unsurprising that the Jews contrived that their god mandated the execution of homosexuals. But their adoption of such a firm stance is not evidence in support of the argument that a similar adoption by us would prove toxic to our civilization. Additionally, because issues of youth protection, health, and demography are human universals, any kind of knee-jerk and uncritical rejection of something as ‘Jewish’ is precisely the kind of quasi-esoteric counter-Semitism that gives more reasoned critique a bad name.

Far from being original, my comments in this regard are mere echoes of those made by the psychologist Havelock Ellis in 1896 during the course of his Studies in the Psychology of Sex: Sexual Inversion — probably the first medical textbook on homosexuality. Ellis writes (p. 227):

Our modern attitude is sometimes traced back to the Jewish law and its survival in St. Paul’s opinion on the matter. But the Jewish law itself had a foundation. Wherever the enlargement of the population becomes a strongly felt social need — as it was among the Jews in their exaltation of family life, and as it was when the European nations were constituted — there homosexuality has been regarded as a crime, even punishable with death. The Incas of ancient Peru, in the fury of their devastation, even once destroyed a whole town where sodomy had once been detected. I don’t know if it has been pointed out before that there seems to be a certain relationship between the social reaction against homosexuality and against infanticide. Where the one is regarded leniently and favorably, there generally the other is also; where the one is stamped out, the other is usually stamped out.

Just as it would be foolish for us to abandon ethnocentrism simply because a pseudo-intellectual makes the argument that “ethnocentrism is Jewish,” so it would be foolish for us to abandon ‘homophobia’ just because a pseudo-intellectual (and one with a ‘dog in the fight’) states that “homophobia is Jewish.” Kevin MacDonald makes the argument in Separation and Its Discontents that National Socialism was a mirror image strategy replicating many aspects of Jewish ethnocentrism — was National Socialism Jewish? Of course not. In truth, by abandoning the promotion of ethnocentrism, and by actively or passively tolerating homosexuality and abortion (which are demonstrably linked in terms of social and legal approval, as Ellis noted), we weaken our material and ideological position immeasurably. And we would do so only to benefit a tiny homosexual clique LARPing as White Nationalists and National Socialists.

Another element underpinning the ‘homophobia is Jewish’ falsity, is an implicit homosexual hatred of Christianity. This is easy to understand — the homosexual hates what condemns him. However, is it true that Christianity is Jewish? We know the Christianity ultimately has Jewish roots, but we also know that Europeans crafted, shaped, and directed Christianity for two thousand years. We know that Christians decided that Judaism’s legalistic hostility to homosexuality was useful, but that its legalistic requirement for circumcision was not. In essence (and this is of course written from an atheistic perspective), Christians developed their religion via a process of selection and omission from Judaism, and via a much greater degree of innovation and the integration of pre-existing elements of pagan culture. The explosive power of Christianity in its first thousand years derived from this synthesis of Jewish fanaticism with pagan creativity. In particular, the former involved the mimicking of ethnocentrism and the creation of more authoritarian structures which replaced the multitude of loose individualistic tribes. Some of these authoritarian aspects undoubtedly infringed upon individual freedom, but this isn’t always an evil. In terms of homosexuality, could it be possible that the introduction of the monotheistic Christian state finally provided the enemies of the pederastic vice with final, overwhelming legal authority to utterly abolish a ‘fashion’ that had appalled them for centuries?

References:

1 Ard & Makadon. (2011).Addressing Intimate Partner Violence in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Patients. Journal of General Internal Medicine, 26:8, 930-933.

2 Mize & Shackelford. (2008). Intimate partner homicide methods in heterosexual, gay, and lesbian relationships. Violence and Victims, 23:1, 98-114.

3 Myers & Choon. (2012). Juvenile Homosexual Homicide. Behavioral Sciences and the Law, 30:2, 90-102.

4 Silverthorne & Quinsey. (2000). Sexual partner age preferences of homosexual and heterosexual men and women. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 29, 67-76.

5 Tomeo, Templer, Anderson & Kotler. (2001). Comparative data of childhood and adolescence molestation in heterosexual and homosexual persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 30 (5):535-41.

6 A. Reynolds Anglo-Saxon Deviant Burial Customs (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2009), p. 84.

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Andrew Joyce holds a Ph.D. in History and Literature. He is the Editor of Washington Summit Publishers and a frequent contributor to The Occidental Observer among other publications. He is a father of three.

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Dominique Nuit

First, to call Greg Johnson a “pseudo intellectual” is ridiculous. He definitely ranks among the top three intellectuals in North American alt-right circles, alongside Kevin MacDonald and Michael O’Meara (author of “New Right, New Culture”). And Counter-Currents is by far the best website (even if Arktos has the best list of book titles). Second, I am inclined to agree with Joyce that widespread homosexuality is a symptom of cultural decadence (though in many individual cases it appears to arise naturally), and that it was discouraged by traditional pagan European society. However, aside from such happy examples as Mr Joyce, married… Read more »

Lothar von Trotha
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Lothar von Trotha

For some reason, this topic tends to bring out the most classless and childish sort of discourse whenever it comes up. It becomes this silly contest between “All is allowed as long as it’s white, you Christcuck conservatard!” vs. “BOG THE SODOMITES AND FAG APOLOGISTS” sort of race to the bottom. The discussion of the issue tends to be almost as disgusting and depressing as the actual issue itself, the kind of thing I wish could just be solved one way or the other, forever, so we can focus on the whole “Jews and cucks are breeding billions of angry,… Read more »

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After reading just about every opinion that can be compiled on this issue I have concluded that there’s one reason why this movement cannot expect a uniform approach to the issue of homosexuality: there still is an ideological current in support of ‘traditionalist’ reasons for approval of homosexuality which conjures up its notions based on a) historical fact and b) religion, as there also are ‘traditionalist’ reasons for its disapproval. May depend on which traditions you choose to emphasize for your opinion. This is what I mean: For one, there is a well-documented role in which “homosexuals” (read: cases of… Read more »

Goolag Sucks
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Goolag Sucks

That’s one hell of a red pill on the HQ. Lots of good information in here. Good read, enjoyed it.

LyovMyshkin
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LyovMyshkin

It’s vital everyone in the Alt-Right reads this series.

RuralScot
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RuralScot

Excellent stuff, good to hear some common sense on this issue.

Sam Cru
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Sam Cru

How does the alt-right benefit from the inclusion of homosexuals?

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

360 comments and not one person has taken the presented data and offered a counter-argument other than “we shouldn’t be talking about this.” Not one.

It’s all:

“We wuz homos.”
“But unity tho?”
“I can’t cope with more than one issue at a time.”
“I’m gay and this is hateful. I’m going elsewhere.”

Spineless cretins.

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Cash??Money

Here are some arguments: Cost of Healthcare is completely inflated which is beyond the scope of the article. STDs are higher in gay population because they are shamed from seeking monogamous relationships, bombarded by “do what feels good” media, availability of “free” healthcare (no consequences), and other factors. Rate of molestation in gays may be higher because they are more open with their sexuality w/ regard to self reporting. How many gays have abortions? Women are literally murdering our future so there must be no room for them either. I’m not saying that gay lifestyle should be promoted. It should… Read more »

Droevig
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Droevig

I reject paragraph 1. Cultural forces are not primarily responsible for the widespread debauchery & disease in the gay community.

I strongly second paragraphs 2, 3, & 4.

Aville Advocate
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Aville Advocate

What, then, happens when the alt-right establishes its fabulous ethnostate? Will beautiful white children be killed once they exhibit the first signs of homosexuality? Will you instead hope they just kill themselves rather than go on living in a society that forces them to deny one of the most fundamental, natural urges? Or, will you wait until they prance around singing “Depeche Mode” karaoke like Richard Spencer is fond of doing, then bash their heads in?

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BWV

There is no legitimate counter-argument. Three things I will add: 1) The money spent on AIDS research and treatment is even more tragic when you realize that it was all wasted on trying to cure/treat a disease that could have been contained entirely by behavior modification. All that money was spent in an effort to make homosexuality safe. Had we instead just let things run their course, not only would we have saved many billions of dollars – but we would actually have improved the homosexual “community” by ridding it of those who lack impulse control and/or have a faulty… Read more »

Savitri Devi
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Savitri Devi

Grindr Greg btfo. Occidental Observer master race.

Johnny Fascismo
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Johnny Fascismo

The fact that this is THIS controversial is why the Alt-Right is flailing. We all need to be on the same page or we accomplish nothing. Faggot apologists GTFO!!!

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

I agree. Why is this even an issue? It seems that there are a lot of shills and sock accounts stirring up trouble in the comment sections and try to create an issue out of something that we would all agree on if we were to meet in person – sodomites have no place in our movement.

Johnny Fascismo
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Johnny Fascismo

Yeah. Most of the people who are arguing in defense of homsexuals are people I have never seen here before. Or only very rarely.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Yep, and they all have a very….kosher style.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Yehudah Finkelstein

I’ll say it again, Bring Back the Closet. Greg Johnson would have a place in the movement if:

1. He wasn’t a Grudge Holding woman.

2. He got back in the closet and ceased writing Homo apologia blaming Jews and Christians for Homos rightly being relegated to the closet for most of European history.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

It’s time for you to Make a Comeback here…….

You’ve been here Longer than most Everyone……..

We might not always agree…..

But, we do here……

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Yehudah Finkelstein

I come here when I can.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Not to Sound Gay……

Ha!!

But, I kind of miss seeing you here…..

Trevor Wilson
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Trevor Wilson

A decent article. Apologetic and defensive theories to protect Jews do connect to the methods to protect and advance homosexuality. “second, that I was evidently a repressed homosexual” Ah, that old chestnut. You are against us so YOU must be gay! What a strange idea. Imagine if one were against Ba’athism, would that make you a Ba’athist? “he wrote in 1966: “Homosexuality is a disgusting and, in some of its aspects, recondite subject, and even the most concise summary of what is known about it would reach the dimensions of a treatise and require the use of languages other than… Read more »

William Shock
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William Shock

We are not all a bit gay and homosexuality is no threat to confident heterosexual males until the promiscuous lifestyle is pushed as a positive example to the greater community and encouraged as a healthy alternative. However there are closeted gay men who project and attack others for the thing they hate within themselves.

genocidal_maniac
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genocidal_maniac

Solid second entry.

I only wish that there had been more of an analysis on how men and women are natural fits for each other–a natural law viewpoint.

I should be an editor here.

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

Good point. By all means please write a short piece to that effect and submit it.

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huwhat
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huwhat

After reading just about every opinion that can be compiled on this issue I have concluded that there’s one reason why this movement cannot expect a uniform approach to the issue of homosexuality: there still is an ideological current in support of ‘traditionalist’ reasons for approval of homosexuality which conjures up its notions based on a) historical fact and b) religion, as there also are ‘traditionalist’ reasons for its disapproval. May depend on which traditions you choose to emphasize for your opinion. This is what I mean: For one, there is a well-documented role in which “homosexuals” (read: cases of… Read more »

Tina Banerjee Chittom
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Tina Banerjee Chittom

May I add, as an animal rights activist (probably won’t find many here) that homosexuality has left its toll on innocent animals. Chimpanzees and other primates were used to test HIV drugs. Fighting HIV was made into a liberal cause taken up even by such people as Princess Diana. The hidden suffering it causes is not mentioned.

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Liddell
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Liddell

There must be an easier way to get rid of Greg Johnson that bashing all the homos in the Alt-Right. Couldn’t somebody kidnap his dog or something?

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

I am sure he is somehow connected to Jews. If we can find those Jews and connect them to sayanim anti-Aryan psyops then he is finished.

Pedro Mitre
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Pedro Mitre

LOL

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Manuel_Venator
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Manuel_Venator

I think this site also needs an article about whether the Altright should tolerate alcoholics.

alkaloid_content
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alkaloid_content

I adopted the Alt-Right label because it represented a fresh new White Consciousness & Advocacy without all the deal-breaking baggage and hang-ups associated with traditional Christian conservatardism. Now I see that it’s devolving back to the pea-brained authoritarian, control-freak, anal-retentive, toxic image and losing strategies of WN 1.0.
Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

Also, if Richard is truly hetero, then he has the gayest mannerisms of any ‘straight’ man I have ever seen. Nothing wrong with that – just sayin’.

(((Shill)))
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(((Shill)))

If your entire analysis of the altright is based on this one article, I suggest that you read more. The “gay question” is not the only thing that has been discussed here or on other altright platforms. In fact, most altright thinkers and leaders discuss it very little. I will admit though, this is the most damaging thing to appear on this website.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

There is nothing damaging about condemning mentally ill perverts and those who enable their self-destructive behaviors.

(((Shill)))
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(((Shill)))

It IS damaging when you’re a complete asshole, however.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Calling these issues out doesn’t make someone an ass hole. Who is the bigger ass hole – the guy who tells sodomites “don’t worry I don’t judge you do what ever it is all good!” knowing full well that they have an average life expectancy of only 42, are over 80x more likely to get AIDS/GRIDS, have the highest suicide rates, can’t have families, have extreme violence in their ‘communities’ etc.? Or the guy who tells them the truth and tries to help them get cured of their illness and direct them in a positive manner towards having a happy,… Read more »

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

I should also add that the people who defend homosexualism are even bigger ass holes because when men like me come along and speak the truth and want to help these poor souls they attack us, which is no different than attacking the person who tried to take the weapon away from the suicidal person. Only a Jew or a depraved monster with no empathy or love for his fellow Aryans could behave in such a despicable way.

(((Shill)))
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(((Shill)))

At no point in my entire life have I ever defended homosexuality or gay marriage. I’m disgusted by the degenerate and filthy destruction gay subculture and sexual immorality has done to America. That being said, I’ll not castrate someone like Enoch Hardman who openly opposes gay marriage and the degenerate lifestyle that gays often perpetuate. He is a fellow white man who wishes to see our race prosper and build great societies again. I don’t see how this is a problem. Behaving like you and your ilk will only rip our movement apart, not make it stronger. Encouraging family values… Read more »

William Shock
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William Shock

Great post; have patience with Patriotic American, he is struggling with his “choices”.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

“I’ll not castrate someone like Enoch Hardman” – I would because it is for the greater good, and by castrate I do not mean ‘cut’, I mean chemically, which is more humane. “the degenerate lifestyle that gays often perpetuate.” – Sodomites don’t “often” live degenerate lifestyles, being a sodomite is degenerate period. “He is a fellow white man who wishes to see our race prosper and build great societies again.” – Then he should do so by rejecting the filth of homosexualism and getting an Aryan wife and having children and raising them correctly. “I don’t see how this is… Read more »

William Shock
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William Shock

Help poor souls? More like you want to hop in bed with them!

craicher
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craicher

Alkaloid had to throw in “anal” and you “asshole”. We know what your compulsive mental illness flashes in your sick minds. A possible cure could be forcing your kind to look at pictures of anuses while the electric shocks are applied. I do believe our VP Pence even supports this.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

How many sock accounts are you using to spew the same non-sense?

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

This is actually VERY Interesting……. What we are witnessing is a Cultural Exposition…….. There are Plenty of White Homosexuals who agree with White Identitarianism/Nationalism……. There are White Alt-Right Gawkers/Maybes who have Gay Friends, Family…… …..or who themselves are Bi-Curious or who have Experimented……. They don’t want to be Racial Minorities any more than we do……. But, the Alt-Right is the Strong Authoritarian Father…….. Saying……… NO…… You will be Expelled from this Family if you engage in that Behavior……. PERIOD….. But, the Alt-Right is also the Loving Mother…….. Saying…… If you’re Lost and Degenerate and want to Saved and Transformed…….. Then,… Read more »

Michael Polignano
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Michael Polignano

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Theodora Angelina
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Homosexuality is beside the point. It has always existed and always will. Rather, what is the issue is how it – and virtually everything else – is weaponised by moneyed hostile elites.

Zyzz
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Zyzz

I am really shocked to see boys molested at such a higher rate than girls.

Brulard
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Brulard

Hello, Mr. Joyce!
When will your book be released? I need that one. Will there be a german translation? One tiny brave publisher gave us Kevin Mac Donalds work in german four years ago. What a great and ionformative read!
Take care and keep up the great work!

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

Thanks! The book will be released before Christmas. It’s been delayed twice, but I’m working closely with Richard Spencer to get it out asap.

Brulard
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Brulard

very good to hear! Thanks!

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

A lot of new people seem to show up in the comments whenever someone criticizes sodomy on this website.

Counter-Currents expeditionary force?

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

Homo Hasbara

craicher
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craicher

The Dude Diaper Diaspora.

Celestial Time
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Experience tells me that most people who’ve ‘been there, done that’ when it comes to participating in and watching the counter-productiveness of these types of articles over the years are the ones speaking up the loudest. White Nationalism 1.0(as some people like to refer to it) was only good at producing one thing. DRAMA. When this website started it seemed to have the potential to brush aside the wasteful arguments and stop squandering talent and potential. But something changed a little while back and now it appears to be another dead end of circle-jerking. The exact same arguments being made… Read more »

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

I just don’t see much of a constituency for hipster racism anymore, at least in the U.S. Ongoing social decline over the last 10-15 years was too rapid, too dramatic for younger people to really be able to convince themselves that whites only liberalism would be OK. In the U.S. it is still possible to isolate yourself from non-whites to a significant degree, but it’s not possible to ignore how bad things have gotten in terms of non-adaptive behaviors among whites. All the young, radical people are into some form of social conservatism or neo-traditionalism nowadays, this site wouldn’t have… Read more »

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Where’s Hipster Racist anyway??

Haven’t seen him lately……

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

We’re not Homosexuals and we don’t celebrate or condone Homosexuality…….

And that’s MUCH better than a Billion Dollars or a Million Comment Board Followers…..

FACT……

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Ha!!

True…..

Identitarian_Ethic
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Identitarian_Ethic

In our new found piety, the Alt-Right must stand against modernity in all its forms. To ensure that members of our movement and future society are adhering to our purity principles, we enact the following two movement laws. 1) We do not believe in privacy since what you do in your bedroom is of a concern to society. Any other opinion is considered sick minded liberalism. To enforce this, the State must be aware of what you are doing at all times. Webcams will be installed in every home in the ethnostate to ensure strict adherence to anti-modernity laws. To… Read more »

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

An excellent analysis. Now can you point out in the article where morality and the sex lives of normal people are discussed, as you suggest? Perhaps you want to address the scientific data presented about homosexuals instead? No? The historical data? No? I know, why don’t you just create a humorous straw man for a few cheap upvotes and walk away satisfied.

Identitarian_Ethic
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Identitarian_Ethic

Thanks for at least admitting it was humorous. This wasn’t so much directed at you as the author, but toward a general conclusion of where such moralism could lead. Why not think about dictating the lives of our future citizens and disregarding silly notions of “rights” to “privacy” as a tool of liberal ideology? We know better than they do, right? Saying that we cannot allow people to do as they wish if we can argue that it somehow harms the ideal world we wish to create opens the door to needless regimentation in all areas of life. On the… Read more »

craicher
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craicher

Just another sicko you are. You cannot use the word gay, it means happy you fool. When you stop promoting your lifestyle and get back under the rock where you came no one will notice you and you can go on with your disease unnoticed. Pretty simple. Otherwise I propose the camps and/or the rope for the unrepentant.

William Shock
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William Shock

Craicher there is one thing to criticize the promotion of a hedonistic lifestyle and we all understand how homosexuality can be nauseating; but when you start talking about “ropes” I really would like to see you at the end of one.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

We in the Alt-Right want to see all Anti-White Marxists at the End of Ropes……

William Shock
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William Shock

So why are you attacking members of the Alt-Right then? Your aggression is valuable on the battlefield but at this point it is unnecessary.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Calm down, Trotsky……

Go get an Avatar Lift……

And come back and we can talk…….

William Shock
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William Shock

The Avatar is a joke; on my twitter account I was a black guy for a while, inspired by piece Andrew Anglin wrote.

Jörð
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Jörð

Why don’t you just get a pic of Boy George?

Big Boss
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Big Boss

Goy Beorge.

William Shock
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William Shock

Big Boss Hog

Big Boss
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Big Boss

What the fuck are you talking about faggot?

William Shock
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William Shock

Right after you get done fapping to some cuck porn.

Jörð
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Jörð

Sure fruit fairy as if I fap. I am a married woman you goon!

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

I don’t have any problem with you, then……

No Ropes for you…..

Ha!!

Keep coming back…..

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

White Male Homosexuality is equivalent to White Genocide……

Male-Male Sodomy is VILE and DISGUSTING……..

It is DEATH…….

craicher
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craicher

Nah, just when they have parades, hold hands in public, write books and other literature promoting their lifestyle and other such events in the public realm, arrest them and give the proper punishment. It is really very simple. If they do dastardly deeds in the closet well we probably won’t know and they can go ahead. But when they need medical care with their Anally Inflicted Death Syndrome and Homo Inflicted Virus and the doctor inspects them and sees the torn up anus then clearly they will both be refused treatment and put on trial. Then when we enact the… Read more »

Goolag Sucks
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Goolag Sucks

Anally Inflicted Death Syndrome…….LMAO I’m stealing that

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Drama Queen…….

Ha!!

Pedro Mitre
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Pedro Mitre

The germanics did not prohibit homosexuality. The historian Ammianus Marcellinus, from the christianized roman empire, describes homosexuality among them. The young men had to conquer their freedom and prove their virility, if they did not want to remain the catamites of the other men: “We have learned that these Taifali were a shameful folk, so sunken in a life of shame and obscenity, that in their country the boys are coupled with the men in a union of unmentionable lust, to consume the flower of their youth in the polluted intercourse of those paramours. We may add that, if any… Read more »

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

The apparent contradictions of Tacitus disappear when you realize you have employed a wholesale generalization to describe behavior among “the Germanics.” Was there pederasty among some of the tribes? Yes, probably. Was it punished among some of them? Yes. The Batavian obviously had a problem with it. Ditto for some of the Romans etc, and so on… The point made in the article is that hostility to homosexuality cannot be generalized as “Jewish.” Unfortunately proponents of homosexuality in our circles are often just as keen to generalize on the European side of things – all Jews hated homosexuals, all europeans/Germanics/Greeks… Read more »

Pedro Mitre
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Pedro Mitre

First, you don’t need to feel ashamed because some forms of homosexuality were acceptable among ancient Europeans. Homosexuality was common in the vast majority of peoples without abrahamic influence. Even among semites, like the Babylonians, had some forms of acceptable homosexual relationships. The jews who were weirds, not the other way. You are wrong, when you say that the Batavians disapproved pederasty. The dutchmen did not revolt because pederasty. They revolted because their boys were being abused by roman soldiers: “ Batavians of military age were being conscripted. The levy was by its nature a heavy burden, but it was… Read more »

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

You’ve responded to a critique of your generalization with a reiteration of your generalization.

disqus_7a1NyExMiZ
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disqus_7a1NyExMiZ

@danielfriberg:disqus How do you intend to exclude someone from the movement who created his own platform?

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

Disseminate a narrative designed to influence followers, donors etc., and further deprive that platform of support (clicks, money) in whatever fashion. This won’t lead to movement exclusion, but will contribute even in a minor way to the weakening and marginalizing of the opposition party.

disqus_7a1NyExMiZ
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disqus_7a1NyExMiZ

You upvote your own comment? LOL.

Enoch Hardman
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Enoch Hardman

I am a signed up member of the Alt-Right who has oriented the next 4 years of my life to undertake doctoral studies in political philosophy with a view to providing an in depth analysis of the destructive orientation of modern political philosophy upon native Europeans and their culture. I could choose any number of other academic routes that would guarantee a cushy teaching job and a nice income. I could settle down and get married and have an easy life if I wanted. I however feel the survival of my people is more important than my own emotional and… Read more »

Daniel Friberg
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Judging from your comment — assuming you are honest in all your positions — what could you have against intolerance of open homosexuality in a white society, and against banning homosexuals from positions of influence within our movement? How is this a problem for you, considering you seem to be in the closet in your daily life and likewise seems to not promote gay tolerance within the alt-right movement?

Celestial Time
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What constitutes “intolerance” in your White Nation?

Daniel Friberg
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The same it has meant traditionally. Shaming of degenerate behavior and making it unacceptable in public, as throughout most of known European history.

Celestial Time
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I don’t understand what shaming is supposed to entail in this context. You liked a previous comment where it was stated that forced castration and slave labor camps would be part and parcel of a future White nation. Is that part of the “shaming” that you’re talking about?

Daniel Friberg
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No, that’s one or two levels above “shaming”, technically. Any further questions?

Celestial Time
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So your “intolerance” has levels, where shaming is the first step in the process? What’s the next step when someone refuses to be shamed to the degree you wish to shame them?

Daniel Friberg
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I think shaming is enough. Do you feel ashamed?

Celestial Time
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I’d feel very ashamed if I had to sidestep a direct and genuine question. Curious to know why you think I’d feel ashamed.

Daniel Friberg
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I did not sidestep any question. Read again: “I think shaming is enough.” I.e. no next step. Shaming will deal with the problem — I am no purist hoping to eradicate the phenomenon completely.

William Shock
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William Shock

Do you feel ashamed for your transgressions?

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

YES……

Enoch Hardman
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Enoch Hardman

I’m not in the closet. Everyone knows where I stand with my politics. You are making the fundamental error of confusing the Marxist gay agenda with actually being gay. Should homosexuality be promoted? Absolutely not. Should gays who want to just get on with their lives being terrorized (as appears to be suggested by some of the commentators on here)? No they shouldn’t. Should anyone who works to undermine our civilization be tolerated no. I don’t think gays should marry, adopt children or get special treatment. I believe that heterosexual marriage is the fundamental building block of a strong and… Read more »

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Homosexualism isn’t ‘fine’, it is sick and disgusting and is a perversion of the natural order. You are mentally ill and should seek help.

Enoch Hardman
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Enoch Hardman

I think its clear from our respective comments that we move in very different circles. It is however more likely to be thinkers such as me that determine the course of this movement than people like you. I will teach in universities, write papers, speak at conferences and form minds. I do not drink, I do not smoke and I am celibate. I have made an effort to be the thing I teach others to be: dignified, serious, learned and focused. If your writing is anything to go by, we have quite quite different expectations of ourselves too.

William Shock
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William Shock

Enoch thanks for sharing and posting; great responses!

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

“I think its clear from our respective comments that we move in very different circles.” – Yes, you move with Jews and sodomites, circles that no honorable man would be part of. “It is however more likely to be thinkers such as me that determine the course of this movement than people like you.” – Wrong. Men like me aren’t cowards and actually fight for our beliefs. What do you do other than whine and cry like a woman and virtue signal to perverts and freaks and beg Jews to be nice to you and give you shekels and publicity?… Read more »

William Shock
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William Shock

Patriot American; the man who grovels before masculinity like Waylon Smithers but makes the conscious choice not to act on his submissive homosexual instincts. How brave.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

You’re also Fkin Annoying……

Real Men move in these Circles…….

Now go run along with Greg Johson…….

William Shock
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William Shock

You’re a real man?

William Shock
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William Shock

Yet he is more sane than you.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Yes, totally sane. He only sodomizes men and little boys, nothing wrong with that, right goyim? It is totally sane to put your genitals into a hole that sh*t comes out of and if you don’t like that then you are the real insane one. /sarc

Verpiss dich, Judlein.

William Shock
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William Shock

Didn’t know he sodomized little boys; is that your fantasy? Glad you sit around and visualize gay sex in your mind; I’m sure you’re like the big fat closet queen I beat the shit out of at work after he tried harassing me.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

What is it with you Jews and sodomites projecting your own filthiness on to everyone else? Truly, Hitler was perfectly correct when he said that Jews and sodomites sling filth like a windmill at honorable men and are virtuosos of depravity and deceit.

William Shock
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William Shock

What is it with you attacking those who, unlike you, have submitted to their homosexual desires? Don’t you understand that not everyone has your discipline and fortitude! Just how do you do it? How do you control your homosexual inclinations?

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

You are disgusting.

William Shock
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William Shock

Says the female brained Patriotic American; you must be so excited! You must have your legs kicked up in the air over it.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Ok, Marxie……

William Shock
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William Shock

Be like Patriotic American; make the conscious choice not to act on your homosexual inclinations.

William Shock
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William Shock

Ya Enoch, Patriotic American has proven that homosexuality is a choice and he has chosen not to act on his homosexual impulses, what a brave soul!

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Can you go cry somewhere else? I am sure Rebbi K!kestein has some tissues for you over at the yeshiva.

William Shock
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William Shock

The tears are all yours and you can wipe them away, big daddy will give you a blue ribbon for not choosing to submit to your gay impulses.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Why are you sodomites so perverse? Why do all obsess over everything unnatural and depraved? How can you expect us to want anything to do with you when you are slandering people and spouting perverse non-sense?

William Shock
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William Shock

Your the one who started with the sodomy obsession; just don’t act on it okay, would hate to see you ride down that slippery slope to fagdom.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Well, that makes you NOT an Enemy of the Alt-Right…….

But, you can’t be a part of the Alt-Right……..

Form your own White Identitarian/Nationalist Movement for those Gay Whites who agree with you……

No one wants to Terrorize you…….

Not me at least…….

But, we are Fighting for White Survival…….

Which means Birth Rates and the Primacy of the Heterosexual Family Unit…….

And so, you will always (of Necessity) be Discriminated against……

As long as you’re Non-Closeted…….

William Shock
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William Shock

As I stated in another post forcing homosexuality underground increases the likelihood that the gays will get married and potentially pass on gay genes. You don’t want to have gay children do you?

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Good point……

craicher
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craicher

Oscar Wilde was a freaking child molester and he wrote about it in his poems. Funny how you sodomites always love to tout child molesters as great men. And we don’t accept your cultural appropriation of the word gay, meaning happy.

In short you lie and deceive.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

“I’m gay, I am in no way a promoter of degeneracy” – A degenerate who claims not to promote degeneracy while writing a multi-paragraph promotion of degeneracy….oh the irony.

William Shock
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William Shock

Check it out Patriotic Pansy American; Enoch makes you look like a retard! Please stay in the closet.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

True……

William Shock
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William Shock

To Patriotic American – says the man who “chooses” not to act on his gay impulses to engage in sodomy.

Andrew Miller
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Andrew Miller

Good stuff. As if it wasn’t bad enough to have batshit commenters like craicher and Patriotic American, we have toxic figures like Friberg, Joyce and Vince Law whom Spencer has knowingly associated himself with. Alienating a significant part of the population with surplus time and money (and possibly intelligence) is insane and can never lead to political victory. I am for realist discussions of the negative aspects of the gay world, but talking about banning sodomy or worse is an absolute political nonstarter. Smart WNs will completely shun these insane fools who would rather hunt down all the gays than… Read more »

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Sodomites make up less than 0.5% of the population and the vast majority of people do not like them and only tolerate them out of fear of being persecuted by the Jews. They are of no significance to our movement. The only people who push that idiotic idea are sodomites and shills.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

The Open/Closeted Gays can ban their own Anti-Human Vile Perversion……..

The Alt-Right is a Movement about Strengthening White Men……

Not Sodomizing them…….

William Shock
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William Shock

Did someone try to sodomize you?

Jörð
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Jörð

Boo Hoo I have a tiny violin for your troubled soul..

William Shock
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William Shock

More like your a troubled soul with a tiny dick. Must be hard, once in a great while.

Yehudah Finkelstein
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Yehudah Finkelstein

Homos aren’t significant, they’re a tiny single digit percentage of the population. Homos only have surplus time and money because they don’t have children, which is the antithesis of everything the Alt Right stands for.

William Shock
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William Shock

Yes, lets make homosexuals have babies so they can pass on their genes.

Patrick Johnston
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Patrick Johnston

I’m sure you can take your skill and commitment elsewhere and still serve our race and civilisation.The Alt-Right appears to be morphing into a sort of westernized Islam. Judging by the comments on here their pretty much headed towards an echo chamber anyway but if a future of purges, camps and terror is where their heading they need to be excised from any sound philosophical and sociological discourse, not just sidelined but snuffed out.

These fruitcakes can do serious damage to the project.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

You and the Homosexuals who want to persevere White Civilization can form your own Group……

We await to see you on Periscope taking on Antifa in the Streets……

Ha!!

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Depart from our Midst……

We don’t mind you fighting to Preserve White Civilization……

But, you can NEVER be part of our White Alt-Right Brotherhood……..

I’m Sorry……

Good luck in the Future…….

Lothar von Trotha
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Lothar von Trotha

The problem with Wilde’s decriminalization solution is that, as far as I can tell, no society in history has been content with that sort of “stop short” solution and left it at that. Once the ball gets rolling, it keeps on rolling, because people tend to be shit at arriving at compromises and then leaving well enough alone. One can see the steady progression of “small, reasonable” requests to alleviate negroidal poverty turning into our present despicable negrophilia, in the same way that small “let’s be a little more tolerant of homosexuals” requests have now turned into “Facebook’s 43 genders”… Read more »

craicher
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craicher

The next step is to legalize and normalize pederasty. Watch, look and listen.

The day of the rope approaches.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

And Greg Johnson and the Alt-Fag Movement will claim it represents the Truest and Purest Form of Classical White Western Civilization……

Ha!!

Absurdiness Brown
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Anyway that you look at it, homosexual emancipation has been a complete car wreck. The kindest possible thing for homosexuals is to cease celebration of their hedonistic lifestyle and scare them (by making it clear HIV medicine will be limited) back to monasticism and genuine monogamy. As for excluding them from the AltRight, no civilisation in the history of the world has been as kind to homosexuals as Western civilisation has. They can and should accept that the AltRight is the only thing standing between them and the implementation of Sharia law (hello, rooftops) and be allies and not white… Read more »

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Why should we accept depraved predators who mercilessly rape, torture, and murder the weakest members of society? The FBI conducted a study which showed that over 70% of all known serial killers were sodomites. Why should we tolerate people who do such things?

Besides, you can’t scare sodomites into being ‘straight’. What we should do is to try to re-educate them while they are young and if that doesn’t work then castrate them and put them in colonies wherein their labor can be utilized by the state in exchange for their room and board.

William Shock
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William Shock

Source please.

Tay
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Tay

Don’t hold your breath.

Absurdiness Brown
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A gulag? How very novel, comrade.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

It worked before and it will work again. Whine all you want but this is what will happen eventually.

Absurdiness Brown
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It may, indeed. The gulag seems a less “American” approach of course. But the early intervention you suggest may reap significant benefits for society and individuals.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Sodomites are mentally ill and frankly I pity them. I think the best way to deal with homosexualists is to try and re-educate them and if that fails then they should be castrated and forced to live in specialized ‘colonies’ for their kind so as to protect the rest of society from their diseases and depravity. In regards to Greg Johnson’s depraved anti-Aryan filth in that photo of Hellenes engaging in homosexual acts, that is disgusting and slanderous non-sense. The very word for a sodomite in ancient Greek transliterates to ‘shame-bringer’ in English and Sodomites were banned from entering sacred… Read more »

Dragdar
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Dragdar

It’s is thoroughly diabolical is what it is. NO QUARTER TO BE GIVEN, YOU WILL BE GIVEN NONE! Not only the total expulsion of sodomy is necessary but also the complete and total annihilation of pornographic and immodest material and media. No trousers and other men’s clothing on women, no prostitute clothing and certainly men older than 12 years should not to be seen wearing shorts and tshirts as they have stepped into adulthood. You think this is strict? It’s in accord with Natural Law is what is is. You think Sharia is barbaric, sure it is, but it’s also… Read more »

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Yes, that is why over 70% of all serial killers are sodomites according to the FBI. Many of them are monsters, not all, but a great many, and that is enough of a reason to warrant their persecution.

GamingMan
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GamingMan

Completely agree with you it’s disgusting seeing so many women dressed like men and so many men dressed like children we must not only go back to our traditional values but also dress code.

GamingMan
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GamingMan

Completely agree with everything you said especially the part about the dress code it’s absolutely disgusting seeing so many women wearing pants and so many men dressing like little boys I think it’s time we not only go back to our traditional values but also dress code.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

The ideal we must all fight for.
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feminine women and masculine men.

Conrad von Starker
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Conrad von Starker

Wage cucks and do-nothing bitches? No thanks. The nuclear family is degenerate, brought upon by rampant capitalism. The mannerbund is the foundation of all true civilization.

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Your Europe is Degenerate and Dying…….

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

YES……..

Cash??Money
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Cash??Money

True, but remember, it’s an ideal… many of our brothers and sisters will fall short.

Droevig
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Droevig

I’m areligious & you’ll never get more than 20% of the Alt-Right on board with the crazy policies you’ve advocated in this comment. I think I’d take my chances in E Europe if this was what the white nationalist state of America looked like: some sort of American version of Saudi Arabia.

iemand
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iemand

Joe Biden: Jewish leaders in the media are in large part responsible for American acceptance of gay marriage, Vice President Biden said Tuesday night. “I believe what affects the movements in America, what affects our attitudes in America are as much the culture and the arts as anything else,” he said at a Democratic National Committee reception for Jewish American Heritage Month. He cited social media and the sitcom “Will and Grace,” giving Jews a large part of the credit for both. “I bet you 85 percent of those changes, whether it’s in Hollywood or social media are a consequence… Read more »

disqusqueen17
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disqusqueen17

No, the Roman Catholic Church has been instrumental in the gay rights movement. When dealing with the homo problem, I divide it into 2 arguments to deal with 2 different groups: religious and non-religious. I believe in IQ and evolution and my Christianity and politics are based on these 2. When I deal with non-Christians and homos they say I’m a Christian bigot so I use the evolutionary argument. I ask them to explain how homosexuality is consistent with evolution. They can’t. I also say that if a “gay gene” is found, we need to have abortion available for this.… Read more »

Lothar von Trotha
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Lothar von Trotha

On the colony issue, that’s exactly what Mussolini did by expelling gays to San Domino.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22856586

William Shock
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William Shock

Genetic cases of homosexuality can be a sign of genetic weakness; further brain scans of gays has shown that many have a brain structure similar to the opposite sex. Pederasty may result from a fusion of the maternal instincts with the sexual drives, an emotionally regressive infantile disposition, as well as childhood molestation. We can agree that gay men should not be around young teens and boys, however Andrew JOYCE misses important problems by ignoring genetic cases of homosexuality. When homosexuality is strongly condemned it is forced underground and many homosexuals end up getting married and passing on their genes… Read more »

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Both of them are wrong. Proven sodomites should be re-educated while young and if that fails then they should be castrated and forced into a sodomite colony and used by the state as free labor in exchange for room and board.

As for proven cases of genetic sodomitism….just geld them and be done with it.

William Shock
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William Shock

So I take it you have been sodomized, possibly molested and/or raped; you keep mentioning sodomy in your posts and with great anger. This reminds me of a female friend of mine who was sexually abused as a child.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

So I take it you are a sodomite, possibly a child molester and/or rapist; you keep defending sodomites in your post with great indignance. This reminds me of all the sodomites and Jews I see on the Talmud vision and in the media who slanderously accuse anyone who defends the weak and innocent against their evil depravity of being a sodomite or a victim of sodomy.

William Shock
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William Shock

Well Patriotic American, that takes you being raped out the equation; obviously you would like to be sodomized but can’t find any volunteers.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

What is it with you perverts? You always accuse everyone who opposes your disgusting filth of somehow secretly wanting to partake in it. You are insane and need serious intervention.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

I should also add that it is rather amusing and ironic how the worst thing you ‘people’ can think of to insult others is to accuse them of being what you are.

StraitlacedMissouri
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StraitlacedMissouri

I’m going to barf. (((William Shock))) can’t handle that someone thinks poo sex is foul so he accuses the guy commenting of having been sexually abused. Sounds like weirdo William is having strange fantasies. You ok in there buddy?!

William Shock
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William Shock

There is a difference between being disgusted by sodomy and being obsessed with it; StaitlacedMissouri and Patriotic American fall into the latter camp.

StraitlacedMissouri
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StraitlacedMissouri

Boring….

William Shock
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William Shock

What else could you expect for a strait-laced Missouri shill?

StraitlacedMissouri
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StraitlacedMissouri

Says the douchebag commie with only 300 comments of which 90% are directed towards Patriotic American. As stupid as you think he is you must really like him or you’d get a life and quit hounding him you thread rolling bagel dog.

Celestial Time
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Are re-education, forced castration and slave labor camps just part of your official policy and platform or part of the official platform of Alt-Right? I see the brilliant Alt-Right tactician Friberg has “liked” this comment, so it’s a genuine question.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

It is my personal opinion and if people agree with it then so be it.

Why are you defending sodomites? Are you a pervert?

Celestial Time
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A better question would be, why are you so scared of homosexuals? I’m married and have kids. I’ve never been in a “homosexual” relationship, unless you count me and two other women.

How about you?

StraitlacedMissouri
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StraitlacedMissouri

When I was a teen I heard a friend blow his brains out a couple of blocks over. He was 15 and was being molested by several homosexual college age men in the area.

William Shock
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William Shock

Why are you obsessed with sodomy? Are you a pervert? You have already alluded to having the feelings. Sick.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Can you link to this admission? Or are you just slandering an honest and honorable man with projections of what you really are?

Daniel Friberg
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This article series can be seen as part of our genuine platform.

Me liking a comment doesn’t mean that all its contents automatically becomes part of the alt-right ideological platform.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

There is no need to justify yourself to perverts.

William Shock
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William Shock

LOL, Pathetic American – according to you homosexuality is a choice; you just haven’t acted on your “gay” inclination for sodomy yet, you just dwell on it.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

I don’t dwell on anything, Jew, I simply speak the truth and it offends you.

Celestial Time
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Actually, it does mean exactly that. If you are a “leader” of this website and part of a greater leadership cadre making up the Alt-Right movement, then your actions and your words—and in this case what you like and don’t—carry much more weight than some random commenter. If someone from the SPLC “liked” a comment where one of their commenters said something about legalizing the raping of White women and the imprisonment of any White man that objected, would you hold that up as an example of the SPLC’s depravity and a clear example of what could be expected should… Read more »

Tay
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Tay

Nothing would preserve the genetic causes of sodomism more than a policy of forcing gays to hide their orientation, getting married and having children to avoid the camps.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

There has never been any evidence produced to support the claims of there being a genetic cause for homosexualism. Homosexualism is first and foremost a choice my by the sodomite to indulge his unnatural and depraved predatory urges.

William Shock
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William Shock

I guess it is a choice if you have homosexual urges with depraved predatory tendencies. You just admitted to having homosexual urges.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Funny how you sodomites always project your insanity onto others. Deep down you creatures know that there really isn’t anything worse than a man allowing himself to be used like a woman and so it is always the worst insult you can think of.

Carnivorous Goat
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Carnivorous Goat

I would have thought the homosexuals were useful to the alt-right given their justifiable fear of Islamic culture.

Jarod
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Jarod

Muslims are some of the biggest sodomites on earth. They just pretend otherwise.

Carnivorous Goat
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Carnivorous Goat

I have no reason to doubt what you say Jarod, But I’m not sure that it in any way detracts from the utility of the western homosexual in their opposition to further Islamic immigration.

They are useful in this respect are they not?

Jarod
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Jarod

Only to the extent they wield political power, which isn’t great. Major parties generally only use them as pawns. Gays who stand against Islamic immigration are discarded, which removes their political power anyway.

Carnivorous Goat
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Carnivorous Goat

That’s fine. But their utility is that their justifiable opposition to Islamic immigration confuses the politically correct. What to do if one group they support opposes another group they support? Which ‘virtue’ is to prevail?

I am surprised that you are opposed to using homosexuals as pawns.

Jarod
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Jarod

I’d rather wear my colors on my sleeve than score cheap political points.

Carnivorous Goat
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Carnivorous Goat

If those ‘cheap points’ change the dominant political narrative what then?

Only losers where their heart on their sleeve.

Vincent Law
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Vincent Law

Vast majority of homos are pro immigration. They are mentally ill and suicidal. Plus they hate regular white people more than they fear Muslims.

Sir Dirtbag
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Bullshit.

William Shock
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William Shock

I would watch Black Pigeon Speaks’s video “How Women Destroy Western Civilization”. Same applies to the majority of gay men.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Yes, we should trust the Jewish pervert Black Pigeon Speaks, what a great idea.

William Shock
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William Shock

So now Black Pigeon Speaks it a pervert; purity spiraling at its finest.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Lusting after people of a different race, taking upskirt photos of asiatics, and talking about molesting teenage girls is perverse and anyone who disagrees with this is a pervert themselves. He is also, like you, Jewish and thus should be totally disregarded for that alone.

William Shock
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William Shock

Is that what you got out of it huh? Boy are you stupid. We shouldn’t talk about Muslims raping woman now.

Mikael Jackson
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Mikael Jackson

My own concern has been whats best for whites, besides which I’ve always felt that ranting against other groups that aren’t already largely hated by your targets for ideological conversion is nothing but counter-productive to the cause. The average normie also cares about gays just as much as they care about jews, which is to say – not at all. Despite what the media might tell you, homosexuality is not so prevalent that everyone has a gay friend or three. Statistically speaking, out of every hundred people you meet – maybe three or four will be gay if that (unless… Read more »

Retro Standard
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Retro Standard

I think that criticizing the degenerate lifestyles of homosexuals is not illogical if one is to promote a healthy family based culture.

Mikael Jackson
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Mikael Jackson

It’s not illogical, but is it necessary or even wise to do so? I see no need for pointless antagonism.

If this was an article on the necessary revitalization of pro-family propaganda and the need to expound upon the values of traditionalism in the family sphere, would it have caused any dissent or infighting whatsoever? I don’t think so – yet it would have accomplished the same things.

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

It is strategic failure to take positions on issues that have little or nothing to do with the primary objective of a movement whether it is intersectional feminism or Stormfront White Power. This political mission creep has plagued and destroyed so many movements. Nigel Farage is the one popular exception. He had the ideological discipline to not take positions on issues that had little or nothing to do with Brexit and was able to finally overcome all odds and achieve a successful Leave vote. His UKIP successors lack this ideological discipline and the divorce from the EU is in jeopardy… Read more »

Dragdar
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Dragdar

Woman you stink of a inside agent with your empty “strategics” that would compromise the whole point of the restoration, which is the restoration of the WHITE FAMILY. Allowing sodomitepredatorsoftheinnocent in or disallowing these brutes is a matter of integrity for any respectable group of men. It seems you’re afraid of a sodomy purge because then your own licentious behavior would be so easy to pinpoint in the absence of these elements because deep down you know, you know, one goes after the other, if sodomites are purged your feminists theatrics are next in line. That’s why you’re so afraid.… Read more »

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

Stink of an inside agent? Boy, that is an awful lot of projecting on your part coming from someone who appears to be sheepdogging white nationalists away from race issues and towards cuckservative causes like previous WN movements now part of the Stormfront fail. I never said accept gays or feminists. I was only suggesting political focus and discipline that Stormfront people lack and the results show. There are many things I don’t like politically but cucks are numerous and quite capable of dealing with them on their own.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

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Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

Abandoning WN regularly to chase cuckservative causes is a great way to show racial apathy.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

I am not abandoning my race, you are. By supporting homosexualism you are supporting pedophilia, serial killing, drug use, having 100+ sexual partners per year, the spread of STDs, the effeminization of young men, the lowering of Aryan birth rates, the list goes on and on. It is in the oldest traditions of our fathers to oppose sodomites and root them out of healthy societies. If you oppose the creation of a healthy and pure society then you are anti-Aryan and have no place in our movement.

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

I don’t support homosexuality anymore than I do intravenous opiate use. Neither is a positive for anything including white nationalism. I don’t take positions on either because both have little to do with race issues since both are issues for every race and cuckservatives are more than capable of dealing with them on their own while some people dedicate themselves to white race issues. I’m just not a Stormfront cuck that backs working class black and Hispanics Cucktians over white anyone including LGBT people. I’ve actually seen people on Stormfront back blacks beating up white gays especially if the blacks… Read more »

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

1. Homosexualism is a race issue, whether you like it or not. It is a question of whether or not our people will reproduce and accept their place within the natural order and help to build a healthy society. If you can’t accept this then you are either slow witted, a sodomite, or a shill. 2. “I’m just not a Stormfront cuck that backs working class black and Hispanics Cucktians over white anyone including LGBT people.” – No you just like attacking other Aryans, accusing everyone of doing exactly what you are doing, and politicizing your personal issues with religion.… Read more »

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

PREACH……..

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

“I don’t take positions on either because both have little to do with race”

smh…..

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

Homosexuality is ANATHEMA to WN……..

How do you not get this??

Joseph Curwen
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Joseph Curwen

My dear girl, your lack of comprehension of what is the ‘Alt Right’ as movement and what is our Cause as a whole is astonishing, but I hope is not the product of bad faith. The 14 Words: We Must Secure the Existence of our People and a Future for White Children. That is our Cause. Those are the Words some of us are living for and willing to die for. Those Words include everything, from our desire for a separate country for our people to our desire to clean all the sickness (spiritual and material) who infects the body… Read more »

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

I don’t think she is one of us. Just a hunch but it seems that these people showed up as a group to spread division and anti-Aryan hate and little else.

Joseph Curwen
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Joseph Curwen

I’ve seen that account around here for a time, but you might be right, you can never be sure who’s who in the internet.

William Shock
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William Shock

Patriotic American you definitely are not one of us!

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

Muh Constitution!

(Ghostbusters theme song parody)
Who ya gonna call? Oathcuckers!

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Says the Jewish sodomite with a Karl Marx avatar.

William Shock
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William Shock

Karl Marx is a joke; would you prefer I use a Hitler avatar?

Jörð
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Jörð

Thank God he isn’t a pervert worshiper like you

William Shock
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William Shock

Actually he is one of the perverts; he already said its a choice for him. Further he was crying that he just wants to help the “poor” perverts. Weird. He has sodomy on the brain, just check out all of his posts.

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

Oh yes, the Stormfront paranoia where everyone is suspicious of each other especially outsiders that have unvetted wisdom. Demoralization much?

Andrew Miller
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Andrew Miller

Keep preaching. You’re not alone in condemning these batshit fools.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Yes, I am suspicious of you. You randomly show up with a group of sodomites and start attacking everyone who refuses to accept them. That is suspicious behavior.

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

I didn’t just show up. I’ve been posting here for almost a year and have been making the same argument that ideological discipline sticking to race issues like Farage does to Brexit long before some sheepdog wrote an article suggesting that the alt-right should become just another failed Stormfront cuckservative movement.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Do you even know what a cuck is? Serious question. You keep calling us ‘cuckservative’, yet we do not sell out and take hard stances on the issues, while you do the exact opposite. If anyone here is a ‘cuckservative’ it is you. You tolerate sodomites and Jews and try to make us be soft of weaklings and cowards and when we won’t submit to your virtue signalling and whining you flip out and accuse everyone of being exactly what you are.

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

I call you cucks because you are trying to merge race issues with the most anti-white institutions on the planet. You people are more cognitively dissonant than feminists that embrace Islam.

William Shock
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William Shock

Patriotic American is it hate speech? Do you need a safe space so you can make a conscious effort, or should I say “choice”, not to act on your, you know, your “secret” impulses.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Nice b8 m8 but your going to have to do better than that.

William Shock
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William Shock

Fish took the bait though. Keep larping stoicism.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

I am not the one crying about how people won’t accept your perversions.

William Shock
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William Shock

I am not crying because I have sodomite fantasies that torment me. What do you want, a cookie?

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

Seems that you are.

William Shock
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William Shock

Projection again huh Pathetic American; you have anything original are will you just continue to copy and paste?

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

I don’t hate Stormfronters but like feminists who embrace Islam, they are cognitively dissonant embracing anti-white organizations that worship a mythical Jew conceived via an act of divine cuckoldry.

Joseph Curwen
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Joseph Curwen

And here we ago again with the religious debate.

Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn if they worship Jesus, Odin, the Great Pumpkin or the Flying Spaghetti Monster as long as they are working for the 14 Words; and so should you.

iemand
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iemand

Joe Biden: Jewish leaders in the media are in large part responsible for American acceptance of gay marriage, Vice President Biden said Tuesday night. “I believe what affects the movements in America, what affects our attitudes in America are as much the culture and the arts as anything else,” he said at a Democratic National Committee reception for Jewish American Heritage Month. He cited social media and the sitcom “Will and Grace,” giving Jews a large part of the credit for both. “I bet you 85 percent of those changes, whether it’s in Hollywood or social media are a consequence… Read more »

Nova Morium
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Nova Morium

It was Greg Johnson, a Homo, who got Doxxed because he got Trapped by a Gay Antifa Honeypot……

The Heterosexual Alt-Right is issuing a Corrective……

Deal with it……

William Shock
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William Shock

LOL, only you would think that Antifa fag was a “honeypot”.

GENX140
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GENX140

This looks more like a WN form of Sharia, where you guys want to control every aspect of life. Soon we’ll see an article about what’s halal to eat.
I doubt you care much about health issues, this is just a pretext to let your jesus values out and sound scientific.

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

If it looks like a Stormfront moron and cuckwacks like a Stormfront moron then we’ll…guess what?

Daniel Friberg
Guest

Which aspects in Dr Joyce’s articulate and well-reasoned article makes you believe he qualifies as “a Stormfront moron”?

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

The part that recommends taking a position on an issue that has nothing to do with race and embrace Cucktianity that has been doing more to attack the white race than the left has.

Most of the alt-right hates Cucktians unlike Stormfront morons that embrace it.

Daniel Friberg
Guest

So your point is that the Alt-Right should *only* focus on race? And isn’t it clear from the first two parts of this article series that the homosexual question has quite a lot to do with race? Did you even read them properly?

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

Yes it should focus only on race. Spoken like a true cuck that white nationalism needs to virtue signal the broader right wing movements that thrown it under the bus rather than endorse it back.

Drug use also affects the white race so should the alt-right join Jeff Sessions in his Reefer Madness as well?

Daniel Friberg
Guest

Well, sorry to break it to you, but the alt-right is much broader than just “preserving the white race”. It is anti-egalitarian, anti-perversion, anti-modernist. We want nothing less than the total rebirth of our civilization. All of which are prerequisites to saving our race.

Daniel Friberg
Guest

Ok, let me pretend that you are for real and just a homosexual shill (which by now is quite obvious): 1) It’s completely irrelevant whether or not Dr. Joyce “cares” about health issues (which I see no reason why he shouldn’t do). His entire argument is based on facts and statistics, not feelings. 2) If you maintain that there are no other reason to criticize tolerance of homosexuality than “Jesus values”, you have either a) not read the entire article, b) failed to understand it, or, more likely, c) you are shilling for the nationalist gay mafia to advance your… Read more »

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

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Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

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Daniel Friberg
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Thanks for the clarification, Andrew.

“GENX140”, on a totally unrelated note: Are you by any chance a Counter-Currents contributor?

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

From his posting history he’s a 39 year old low-income Canadian homosexual who objects to the Muslim attitude towards homosexuals but doesn’t really mind Jews. He’s also strong against “Alt Right homophobia.” All quite predictable of course.

William Shock
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William Shock

Friberg with his obsessive attacks on Counter Currents again. I contribute to the Occidental Observer, Red Ice, Counter Currents, Daily Stormer, and TRS and I like Richard Spencer but I will not contribute with any organization associated with Friberg. It’s like Friberg and Joyce are the McCain & Lindsey Graham of the Alt-Right. Just too weird.

Daniel Friberg
Guest

“It’s like Friberg and Joyce are the McCain & Lindsey Graham of the Alt-Right.” — This made me laugh, I will give you that. It didn’t really make any sense whatsoever, but it was funny in a weird way. And I’m of course happy that you don’t like me. And I don’t need your contributions.

William Shock
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William Shock

And I don’t need you Friberg; Curious if you helped set up Red Ice being hacked; it wouldn’t surprise me. I’m just waiting to see how long you last here before you turn on everyone at AltRight.com and embezzle the funds. I’m enjoying watching you self destruct as it is. When you leave you can take your girlfriend Andrew Joyce with you.

Daniel Friberg
Guest

Is this Greg Johnson under a new pen name? 1) You act out emotionally just like him, 2) you throw unsubstantiated allegations around in the same manner as he usually does and 3) you use the same silly allegations as he used to. And it’s getting tiresome. Since you are anonymous and posting serious allegations I urge you to either present something close to evidence of your claims and insinuations or get banned.

William Shock
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William Shock

No need to get your britches in a bunch over it; I’ll take you at you’re word. You really got a thing for Greg Johnson though; perhaps you should make up with him.

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

It might be irony . Quite popular with Millennials.They do make up most of the alt-right. Or it could be outright sarcasm.

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

I have no doubt that he’s being ironic. It’s the context of his posting history and his choice of word and subject matter in this instance that say it all. I’m 31 – more of a millennial than GENX140. It’s extremely interesting that you’ve said you would rather attend LGBT and Antifa rallies than ally with a population group (cucks or whatever) that actually reproduces the very race you claim to be fixated on supporting. The problem here is people conflating “movement” with “people.” And the disdain often shown to fellow normal Whites is, to me, both telling and disappointing.… Read more »

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

Give you one poor Christian that will give more children to the Pope that demands our borders be open to the hordes or to Russell Moore’s Soros allied SBC that denounced the alt-right.

Yes, I’d rather help fools achieve nothing than help the worst of race traitors achieve white genocide if I were forced to choose.

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

All Christians all Catholics? It remains an unfortunate fact that it is Christians who persist in having children. Without them White Genocide would be occurring faster. You argument is bereft of logic, and deeply nihilistic – “I’d rather help fools achieve nothing.” Well, go on then.

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

I was being sarcastic. Of course I would never do that. I don’t exactly have any love for the fake left. I am just wise enough to realize that Cucktians are at the heart of Cuckservativism and are having more success at destroying the white race than the fake left is which is why I despise them more. Choosing and r over a K breeding strategy in selection theory will not only obviously fail but defeats the very purpose to bother saving the white race. Thankfully, there are non-cucktian white people K breeding even if the numbers are less than… Read more »

Andrew Joyce
Guest
Andrew Joyce

I think we can all agree that our situation is dire, and we will have to agree to disagree on our priorities on this specific issue. Remember that this essay is merely the advancement of an argument – it’s not the end of the world, nor are we dragging people off to camps. The sun will still rise tomorrow, and we will still face the same challenges. But I do resent a taboo being placed on any subject or point of view.

Polar Girl
Guest
Polar Girl

I am not placing a taboo on anything. I don’t do SJW OC.

I’m just giving my opinions that

1) Cuckservatives are a bigger threat than leftists
2) Anything that detracts from race is only helping cuckservatives at the expense of white nationalism.

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

You’re acting just a little too sensitive about any negative comments to the article. Are you gay? Maybe take a goddamn chill pill and back off a little. But it’s okay if you’re gay, we won’t kick you out of the alt-right. The priority deal is not up for debate though; survival is at the top of the list.

Andrew Joyce
Guest
Andrew Joyce

What a strange person. I’ve responded to two comments, both from one person, and ignored several others. Your comments, on the other hand, have been remarkable, persistent, and yes, sensitive.

Dominique1492
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Dominique1492

A very interesting article on a very important topic.

GENX140
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GENX140

That was a sarcastic comment to make fun of “All women must wear headscarves to fight islamophobia”.
Pretty dishonest of you to bring that up in this context.

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

GENX140 I took your post as sarcasm. Regardless it was unprofessional to repost here. What’s next, leftist tactics of doxxing people for dissenting views?

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

Or, God forbid, slandering people like Jews with accusations of sodomy and homosexualism? Oh, wait, you already did that.

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Patriot American; the man who doesn’t act on his homosexual impulses. How brave.

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Enabling Jewish tactics of dividing forces within a culture they occupy makes for bad strategy. Listen to the latest Kevin Strom podcast with the reading of Oliver Revilo (part 7).

Daniel Friberg
Guest

First you defend sodomites, and now you recommend me to listen to a podcast of a convicted pedophile? Is this candid camera?

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Friberg I am sure you are well aware of the overwhelming evidence that Kevin Strom was set up; the podcast is far superior to anything you ever produced.

Daniel Friberg
Guest

I’ve studied the evidence thoroughly, and I am not at all convinced.

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Then why are you slandering him?

Jörð
Guest
Jörð

Crazy, isn’t it?

Ken31
Guest
Ken31

The jew is the first to tell you that you are being divided so rally around the jew cause. They have about a dozen tactics, and you get to learn them all after awhile.

Their second favorite after “you are letting them divide us, fellow white people”, is “You are betraying your judaeo-christian values” as if their satanic cult and Christianity have any commonality and as if most modern Christianity is anything but a corruption of its roots (excepting Eastern Orthodox and conservative Lutheran sects).

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

“On January 4, 2007, Strom was arrested in Greene County, Virginia on charges of possession of child pornography and witness tampering.[17] The Grand Jury later added the charges of receiving child pornography and of seeking to coerce a 10-year-old into a sexual relationship. At the October 2007 federal trial on charges of sexually coercing a 10-year-old girl, and of witness intimidation, the judge threw out both charges due to lack of evidence.[18] At the plea hearing on January 14, 2008, Strom pleaded guilty to possessing computer images of child pornography and was held at Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail while awaiting sentencing.[19]… Read more »

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Duh, let’s copy and past the Jewish Wikipedia and act like it’s credible!

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

Duh, let’s promote sodomites and pedophiles and act like it’s credible!

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Says Mr. It’s a Choice! Stay away from little boys, I wouldn’t want them tempting you.

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

I have never suffered from your mental illness but I can say that plenty of people have all sorts of urges, like an urge to eat an unhealthy piece of candy or drink a soda or to slap a Jew, and do not act on them because they know it is unhealthy or even harmful. Normal, healthy, and sane men can do this and it’s not my fault you are a mentally ill and immoral weakling.

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Here you go again dog whistling about your faggotry. Gross! Stay in the closet; do it for the children.

Polar Girl
Guest
Polar Girl

But but but….How are you supposed to have a white nationalist movement without cognitively dissonantly merging it with Cucktianity? What would a white nationalist movement do if it couldn’t worship a mythical Jew conceived via an act of ‘devine’ cuckoldry and its institutions that do more to cuck the white race than Soros?

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

You sound like you have some sort of personal vendetta with the church, which more than likely revolves around your parents forcing you to attend one growing up and feeling betrayed and disillusioned over something that happened in your immediate family. Seen it before, it’s almost always the same story with anti-Christian activists. Unlike most I can understand this, but I think you should keep it to yourself as the vast majority of people do not agree or want to hear it.

James Futurist
Guest

You right dude. Sounds like this isn’t something you want to be a part of. That’s a shame.

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

I have the blu-ray version of The Imitation Game. Think I’ll watch it again while I contemplate the author of this article being submerged in a bog.

Lavender
Guest
Lavender

LOL @ you thinking your retort was so clever you posted it twice. You a basic b!tch subversive.

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

You misspelled bitch, cunt.

Lavender
Guest
Lavender

I’ll cry myself to sleep faggot.

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Ken31
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Ken31

They should be institutionalized or executed, depending on your thoughts about how protect citizens from predation and corruption and whether they can be treated.

JosephtheGreat
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JosephtheGreat

I’m against making homosexuality illegal. Not because I care so much about homosexuals but that proving homosexuality would be extremely difficult; what you would ultimately end up with are modern day salem witch trials. Someone could just falsely accuse you of sleeping with another man and you could find yourself in prison or “executed.” What are you going to do? Video tape everyone in their bedrooms? A law against homosexuality would be both ineffective and highly dangerous to everyone.

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

The author of this article deserves to be submerged in a bog.

Daniel Friberg
Guest

Why so triggered and hateful? Are you a homo?

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

If you actually read the article then you might have noticed that Andrew included a few methods of executing homosexuals including submerging them in bogs. Do we really want to go there — again? I don’t. And if we have gays in the alt-right; who really gives a rat’s ass about that?

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

I do. Sodomites are vicious predators who target the weakest members of society. Over 70% of all serial killers are sodomites according to the FBI.

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

Sodomites? Good grief! You do know that only TV Evangelists talk like that; don’t you? And where the fuck did you get that 70% crap from? Let me guess: It’s in the bible. Funny we’re talking about “Sodomites” now, the day after Anthony Weiner gets sentenced for sending porn to a 15 year old girl. A 50 year old man sending porn to 15 year old girl. What does the FBI say about who is doing most of the child molesting. Just guessing but I’d say about 99 percent is done by what you would call normal straight males. Correct… Read more »

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

“50 year old JEW sending porn to a 15 year old ARYAN girl.” – There I fixed that for you. * “When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this (three years and a day) it is as if one put the finger into the eye. tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years.” (Kehuboth 11b) * “R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage… Read more »

Sir Dirtbag
Guest

“50 year old JEW sending porn to a 15 year old ARYAN girl.” – There I fixed that for you.

OKOK I’ll give you that one. Thanks for the correction.

Ken31
Guest
Ken31

You are a self proclaimed dirt bag. You belong in a bog.

Ken31
Guest
Ken31

Why yes, yes we do. I was just admiring that about our ancestors the other day as I was made aware of it by studying bogs and early plants. Bogs is a good solution.

Polar Girl
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Polar Girl

But but but…. neoliberal globalists! If they can’t do that, how are they going to justify forcing you to submit your genetic information to the government to prove your legal sex? On a more serious note, not only does it cause other problems that have nothing to do with race but pushing for these laws just pulls white nationalists away from their movement to work for Cucktians that are more of a threat than even Soros let alone the LGBTwhatever population. This is my strongest objection — lack of ideological discipline distracting white nationalists away from their movement to join… Read more »

MarlinLover
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MarlinLover

Perhaps we shouldn’t be arguing against homosexuality itself, but rather the presuppositions that contend it valuable to the culture as a whole. The aim should be to argue against over representation and restore the ineffectual facets with more robust traditional values. This ultimately must begin – and I strongly argue it’s caliber here – with religion. What that religion may be and how exactly we will squash the juvenile, unscientific, ever-growing and nefarious fag acronym is uncertain. We should follow a Russian stance, end legal protections first.

Carnivorous Goat
Guest
Carnivorous Goat

The Russians seem to have a sensible attitude to the issue. Consenting adults are free to do as they please in the privacy of their own homes. But the promotion of such lifestyles is not tolerated.

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

The vast majority of Russians are wrong on this and occupy pedophilia has the right of the matter.

Daniel Friberg
Guest

“Consenting adults are free to do as they please in the privacy of their own homes.” — Spoken like a true liberal. “You may do exactly as you please as long as you don’t harm others.” Are you aware of the fact that the unnatural and sick liberal mindset is one of the main culprits in getting us into our current predicament?

Carnivorous Goat
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Carnivorous Goat

The harm principle is a worthy foundation on which a civilization can be built. Such foundations separate western cultures from the less evolved. Our current predicament seems to be more closely associated with affirmative action, attacks on free speech, unquestioned immigration, etc.

Patriotic American
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Patriotic American

They should be institutionalized and re-educated and if that fails then they should be castrated and confined to specialized sodomite colonies and where their labor will be used to pay for their room and board. Just my opinion.

Droevig
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Droevig

1) Homosexuality is expensive. Yup. But it’s not going away. I mean what are you going to do to make it less expensive? Shoot all the gays? Good luck. Not treat HIV? That would make homosexuality even more expensive! HIV rates would skyrocket, gay diseases would spill over into hetero society, etc. Homosexuality is indeed expensive. And there is essentially nothing to be done about that unless you have a cure for homosexuality. 2) “Homosexuality has not been conclusively determined to be caused by genetic or environmental factors”. No, not conclusively. But there is good reason to believe homosexuality is… Read more »

Cash??Money
Guest
Cash??Money

A cultural Marxist could say: White men experimenting on black Africans with polio vaccine caused the virus to spread beyond isolated areas in Africa and are directly responsible for the deaths of many gay, straight, black, and white people. The message of the Alt right should be promoting our race, not trashing our fam who may be less than ideal people.

Manuel_Venator
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Manuel_Venator

In the past this was at least a controversial issue, and Spencer had no
qualms inviting f.e. Jack Donovan or Millenial Woes to speak at the NPI,
and the work of Greg Johnson was widely respected. Now this comment
section is policed by two or three anonymous self-appointed (?) shills aggressively
outgrouping anyone who disagrees with Joyce in the name of a previously
non-existent alt right dogma. If this really is supposed to be a
discussion platform, how is it supposed to work?

(((Shill)))
Guest
(((Shill)))

“Now this comment section is policed by two or three anonymous self-appointed (?) shills aggressively outgrouping anyone who disagrees with Joyce in the name of a previously
non-existent alt right dogma.” Agreed. The gay question was never a problem until now. How is it this divisive?

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

It only seems divisive because there is small group of sodomites (and possibly Jews) who are offended by this and are using a bunch of sock accounts to attack people who support this traditional point of view and are trying to use consensus cracking to silence us and force us to accept homosexualism.

(((Shill)))
Guest
(((Shill)))

You’re the one who’s been attacking people. Don’t try to play the victim card.

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Patriotic American struggles with his homosexual inclinations; he already stated that he chooses not to act on his impulses. Notice his paranoid delusions over being forced to come out.

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

Yes, I am attacking them. They are perverts and have no place in a healthy society. I am not playing the victim card either, I am pointing out the obvious and you are getting butt hurt over it.

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

I can’t believe what I just read. I’m fairly new to the Alt Right but until reading this is pretty disturbing stuff, especially some of the comments. I’m a philosophy and history graduate, then did a masters in modern theology. I did an accountancy conversion degree after that and now work in an accountancy firm in Manchester in the UK. I dress smartly, work out and I speak well and can structure a good argument and so use all of this to engage whenever possible in promoting the Alt-Right. Red pilling people is a challenge at times but I believe… Read more »

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

You’re not Alt-Right…….

No Alt-Right Person would be Offended by Andrew Joyce…….

The Occidental Observer is the Intellectual Vanguard of the Alt-Right…….

There is no way to Verify any of your Claims of who you are……..

Look at England…….

Look at British Culture………

Your Upper Class Culture is one that Prizes Flaming FAGDOM and Male Weakness……..

You give us MILO Yiannopolous……..

This is your Gift to us??

Please, take it back…….

And Millenial Woes??

He’s GAY……..

Your English Accent no longer impresses…….

We see you for what you are……..

WEAK…….

The American Alt-Right is STRONG……..

This is why we don’t want Homosexuals in our Midst……..

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

Lol. You are the likes that will doom all of us not me. I frankly don’t care if you don’t believe me either. If you’re the vanguard of this new utopia then it will be a very unpleasant place indeed and you can keep it. As to the American Alt-Right being strong, I hope it is, but it will be even stronger without the likes of you.

iemand
Guest
iemand

Joe Biden: Jewish leaders in the media are in large part responsible for American acceptance of gay marriage, Vice President Biden said Tuesday night. “I believe what affects the movements in America, what affects our attitudes in America are as much the culture and the arts as anything else,” he said at a Democratic National Committee reception for Jewish American Heritage Month. He cited social media and the sitcom “Will and Grace,” giving Jews a large part of the credit for both. “I bet you 85 percent of those changes, whether it’s in Hollywood or social media are a consequence… Read more »

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

As a Christian I don’t support gay marriage nor do I support the homosexual lifestyle but neither do I support attacking gays who want to just quietly get on with their lives. Weaponised homosexuality is a serious concern and tackling the influence of Jews in society would in.large part address this and other issues that undermine white countries. I am more concerned with the latter than with homosexuals. The Jewish lobby is very strong here in the UK but it is very much a behind closed doors enterprise, it it seems more overt in the states which hopefully means you’ll… Read more »

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

I am Energy and Passion and Strength……..

I’m also Well Educated and Well Read……..

But, I prefer doing Push Ups now……

More than reading Books…….

I’ve read enough Books………

Ha!!

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

Why do you end every comment with “Ha!”? It seems rather odd.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

Go read E.E. Cummings and then come back and tell me how to type……

Ha!!

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

I looked him up, he was influenced by Jewish writers and was particularly popular with children. Your unusual writing style makes sense as now. Thanks for the pointer.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

WEAK Comeback……

I have several Anthologies of British and American Poetry…….

Your Boring and Standard Writing Model has been ignored by Poets for well over a Hundred Years…..

NEXT……

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

Lol.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

The Anti-Homo Alt-Right Comment Board is always open…..

Unlike the Gay Greg Johnson’s Counter Currents…..

Where he Controls everything……

Keep coming back…..

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

I don’t know if your intention is to offend and also amuse but you did become rather fun to talk with. It is now 00:30 here and I have work tomorrow. Have a good night.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

Go study Zen Buddhism……..

You have much to Learn, Daniel Son…….

Good Day, Chap………

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Nova Morium – I am a narcissist.

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

Milo is Jewish…we didn’t give him to you but we don’t want him back.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

Well, we have that in Common…..

We probably have a lot in Common……..

Jörð
Guest
Jörð

Stop lying… You think he’s hot.

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

So far I’ve seen you post with at least 5 socks. How many more are you going to use to spew the same consensus cracking non-sense before you realize that no one here is interested in your lies?

Triptolemus
Guest
Triptolemus

Dr. Joyce, I have long appreciated your contributions to the Occidental Observer. But while the information you have presented is more or less accurate, the data is not new and your conclusions are not novel. This article could easily have been whittled down to one installment. And while your concerns are somewhat relevant to the broader cultural struggle we are engaged in, considering the small number of homosexuals in the overall population (and especially on the right), confronting the secret homosexual conspiracy is low-priority, shit-tier conservatism one can find anywhere. Even now, at the zenith of cultural Marxism, homosexualism seems… Read more »

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

I agree with every word of that almost but if this article and many of the comments below are indicative of the direction the Alt-Right is going and would take any future society then neither I nor my future family will have any part in it. Very very disappointing stuff.

Peter
Guest
Peter

Understandable. But there are other pro-Whites who will be more to your liking. Also one always needs to consider the possibility of paid subversion (not in this case)… I mean to say, it´s a strategy of the enemy to infiltrate our comment sections with shit-tier comments so as to discourage normal Whites… that is to say: anonymous comments in a comment section can´t be reason to throw in the towel on the case. We need to promote the views that we actually have, as opposed to many things voiced in comment sections from questionable “commenters”. There is no alternative to… Read more »

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

I know your correct to be fair but there has to be ways of tackling the attacks on whites and our civilization without ending up in the dystopian horror fest that some of these Alt-Righters are looking forward to imposing. I’ll juxtapose two commenters below that highlights my thoughts on this: Enoch Harman, who seems educated and civilised and American Patriot who seems like a total Bolshevik thug. Enoch as a gay would be destined for castration and the camps while American Patriot is given a top comment by Alt-Right.com. I know who I’d rather build a society with with,… Read more »

Peter
Guest
Peter

2 thoughts: a)it is known that a considerable part of the “Altright”, or maybe better White Identitarianism, is libertarians from the Tea Party movement who became racially aware -> it is therefore not at all plausible that this quagmire of a comment section should be in any way representative of WN. b)I´ve always surmised that this site, all like TRS, is actively trying to address and sponge up the IQ 80 faction of Whites… e.g. so that they aren´t sponged up by the jews. You always need the stupid majority on your side, and it seems Altright and TRS are… Read more »

(((Shill)))
Guest
(((Shill)))

I look at it like this: no matter what, any movement will have radical types AND normal types. It must have been obvious to you that a movement that is centered around white identity would bring in some malcontents. This is always inevitable, but the alt-right’s leaders have gone a long way to try to distance us from the psychotic mentality of white nationalism 1.0. If you haven’t noticed already, there are many here who agree with your side of things (like myself). Andrew Joyce and Patriotic American are a couple of bad apples. Don’t let that ruin the whole… Read more »

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Excellent reply; I share your sentiments.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

Don’t give your Wife HIV…….

From what you do in the Dark…….

Please……

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

I’ll pray for you, clearly your mind operates in a very dark place. If you’re what the Alt-Right has to offer then the movement is doomed to failure. Do YOU really think you’ll win people over with comments like that? Yuck!

Peter
Guest
Peter

I´ll give it to you that if the above is not a paid shill, but is somehow representative of WN, then that casts one heck of a shadow over WN.

I´m suffering from the same experiences… But the White Race must survive despite idiots like that… so we have to, and we will, find ways.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

I can guarantee that I have a higher IQ and PQ that you…….

100% guaranteed…….

The Alt-Right is the place to be for WN…….

That’s why you’re here complaining and whining that we don’t tolerate Homosexuality…….

Oh well…….

Go form your own Organic Movement that no Real Robust Man wants to join……

Ha!!

Peter
Guest
Peter

That´s exactly my idea of a solution. Glad to see common ground.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

White Power!!

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

If you have a high IQ you have not proven it here. Don’t worry though, we can compensate for you.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

Clearly your Mind doesn’t operate, Nitwit…….

Read the Bible……

Romans actually……

It calls Homosexuality an ‘Abomination’…….

And your Messiah was Jewish/Hebrew……..

And Paul??

“There is no Male or Female, Rich or Poor, Slave nor Free…….for we all One in Christ Jesus”

My Father was a Minister……

I went to a Christian College and studied Pentateuch and Christian Theology/Philosophy………

I’ve read Calvin, Spurgeon, Edwards, Lloyd Jones, Lewis……

And PLENY of others……

And I’m an Atheist now…….

Don’t try to start lecturing me, Moron……..

You’re an Ideological Schizophrenic…….

Patrick Johnston
Guest
Patrick Johnston

I studied philosophy at the Lateran university in Rome and could rattle off bible quotes and name a plethora of Christian thinkers too. So what. You are rather strange…but funny.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

I wonder what else you did and saw there that makes you Partial to Homosexuals??

Hmmmm…..

Ha!!

Jörð
Guest
Jörð

If this blog is so terrible then leave. You have 6,000,000 sjw blogs willing to cater to your disordered mind.

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

FACT…..

Nova Morium
Guest
Nova Morium

Sorry……

White Male Homosexuality is NOT tolerated in the Alt-Right……..

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Says Nova Morium; self appointed Queen of the Alt Right

Phineas Alexander
Guest
Phineas Alexander

The actual suppositions put forth in this 2 part series is what I have a problem with; but triptemus.., you make the superior point. If this is really just another verbose burn piece – than I’m actually annoyed. There is too much happening right now, not least among them, this back & forth & full-fledged private war being waged amongst allies. Just isn’t time. Of late, I notice too much infighting amongst ourselves, to the point that Im wondering if I should begin resigning myself to the inevitable & utter destruction of our movement. Im not ready to be some… Read more »

Peter
Guest
Peter

All this considered, now it´s really clear to not decide to be homosexual ROLL-EYES
… and fascinating that the moment I decide to be homosexual, I also become a violent murderer while before I decided to be a homo, I wasn´t.

DEPRESSING the level of intelligence demonstrated by this treatise, and from an author whom I normally consider as very meritorious. Again: bizarro world.
Whether homos harm the movement I don´t know but that treatises like this do, I´m quite sure.

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

Science, reason, and evidence backs up Mr.Joyce’s assertions. Unless you can provide something that disproves his claims then it can only be assumed that you are simply a butt-hurt sodomite who is offended by the facts.

Peter
Guest
Peter

Again: depressing.
If I ever denounce being a white-advocate, it will not be because of the ubiquitous White-haters but because I may be just to embarrassed of the company I´m in in pro-White circles.

Daniel Friberg
Guest

Please elaborate why you are embarrassed. It is obviously not for associating with people below your intellectual level, so I am honestly curious.

Peter
Guest
Peter

I rest my case. Polemic, not an interest in finding truth, is the character of this site.
Considering how important Altright could be for White Preservation, it borders on treason.
Disgusted.

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

Disgusted with yourself? You should be.

Peter
Guest
Peter

Now also clever! Aren´t you something.

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

Certainly more clever than you. I am at least smart enough to figure out homosexualism is sick and wrong, unlike you, who can’t even figure out that basic biological principle.

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Patriotic American Pansy; at this point it’s just insults; hysterical boring reactions. So like SJWs. Replace “Your a Fascist!” with “Your a sodomite!”. Notice the preoccupation with sodomy.

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Patriotic American – words of wisdom from a man who believes people are like him and choose not to act on their gay impulses.

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Makes me wonder if Friberg helped Red Ice get hacked.

Peter
Guest
Peter

I´m starting to feel that there is something seriously sinister with this guy. Who would´ve thought considering how merititous a project like Arktos, and the websites, seem. Because my guess would be that this is just some tactics to attack Johnson again… it just seems unmotivated, pointless, and clearly doing more harm than good…

Jörð
Guest
Jörð

That’s a shitty and serious accusation. Why don’t you leave?! WTF

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Boo hoo says you; save those tactics for the Jew!

Jörð
Guest
Jörð

I did…

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

If you are a sodomite then you are anti-white as you are part of the Jewish agenda to destroy Aryan families by lowering our birth rates, spreading diseases and drug use, and spreading effeminacy among young men. You are betraying the traditions of our fathers and spitting on their honor and should be ashamed of yourself.

Peter
Guest
Peter

You don´t know if I´m gay but we all know now that you are stupid.

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

I think it is pretty obvious what you are.

Peter
Guest
Peter

You don´t help your case.

Patriotic American
Guest
Patriotic American

And you don’t help yours, f*ggot.

William Shock
Guest
William Shock

Agreed Peter; this is Andrew Joyce’s Achilles heel; his embrace of purely environmental explanations of homosexuality falls in line with Marxist pseudoscience. We can distinguish the biological differences between men and women, the races, and one another, yet the creation of homosexuality is never anything but some kind of environmentally created choice? Not very insightful.

Andrew Joyce
Guest
Andrew Joyce

I would agree that this is my Achilles Heel – if I presented this essay series (which is not yet fully published) as an explanation of the origins of homosexuality. But, as stated clearly in Part 1, this is not any such explanation. If it can be determined that there is some biological or genetic basis for some instances of homosexuality, we could leave it to scientific solutions. This seems obvious. We would simply treat the foetus in the womb. The combination of desiring to eliminate it from genetic occurances, and from cultural practices, ends up the same way –… Read more »

Peter
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Peter

And is this in any (relevant) way controversial at possible or open homos in the AltRight? Who promotes homoism? Who wishes it, who wishes to increase homoism? Sorry Mr. Joyce, to me the series makes no sense, not the content, and not the starting a fuss.

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

“Who promotes homoism?.”

Don’t worry Peter. That comes in Part Three.

William Shock
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William Shock

Homosexuality will always exist and it may have some evolutionary benefit to society as a whole when limited; Michelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci were likely homosexuals. The best thing to do is to channel the energy and creativity homosexuals possess in a positive direction. My criticism is that you concentrate on the worst aspects of homosexuality that is indicative of gay culture that has been cultivated by the Marxist and apply it to individual gays. Gays outside the hedonism of the gay scene act very differently. It would be like ascribing all the worst traits of feminism to all women.… Read more »

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

You’re confused again. The academic studies I’ve cited surely didn’t target “the worst gays” did they? No. They are broad surveys of averages. The same types of surveys and analyses we apply to Jews and Blacks, and use to formulate ideas on those populations. You keep switching between “it’s finite, it’s definite, its genetic” and “it will always be here,” “it MAY be beneficial to society.” Based on what? The evidence presented here suggests it’s a net negative. Where is your actual hard evidence to the contrary? If it’s genetic as you say, we will eventually be able to eradicate… Read more »

William Shock
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William Shock

Do you see the issue as some monolithic absolute? It’s either genetic or it’s environmental, it’s either negative or it’s beneficial; truth is it is all of these things and to me you come across as confused. The world is’nt just black and white; good versus evil. The end goal is preserving white culture and sorry but I just don’t see the vast majority.of white men suddenly turning gay as if it is some kind of plague. Only people susceptible are probably bisexual and the degree of susceptibility is probably on a gradient. There are also different types of gay… Read more »

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

I actually like some of your remarks and mode of expression so it’s disappointing to see you use a straw man – where have I suggested a mass conversion of men to homosexuality? In fact, in the article I state my doubts about the homosexuality recruitment theory. Nor have I ever stated that it’s all biological, environmental etc. My only confusion is that for all of the hot air being expounded on this article, not one defender of the homosexual position has addressed the data presented. Not one. It’s all either straw man, ad hominem, or emotional invective. Very disappointing.… Read more »

William Shock
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William Shock

You stated homosexuality has a “reliance on recruitment” and I do not believe this is the common case. I believe homosexuals seek out those with the same genetic disposition. Is not recruitment a type of conversion? Perhaps I’m misinterpreting but it sounds as if you are saying homosexuality is lying dormant and can be brought out. This is not your best work. I agree with much of what you say but you need more balance and insight. I just think you don’t fully understand homosexuality.

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

That isn’t my implication at all, in fact I state the opposite. The full context of my statement was that pederasty has boosted their numbers – and I supplied an academic study suggesting that, and pointed to anecdotal evidence also. You keep trying to find dogmatism in specific areas that simply isn’t there. Your opinion on my work is irrelevant.

William Shock
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William Shock

I was trying to get clarification. Obviously your emotions are clouding your opinions and you are being defensive. You would be more credible if you weren’t letting Friberg use you like a pawn to boost his own status and frankly your attacks on Counter Currents were stupid. I really liked your work and I was looking forward to your book but your petty responses here show big blind spots and intellectual limitations. If my opinion is irrelevant the same could be said of yours.

William Shock
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William Shock

I was trying to get clarification. Obviously your emotions are clouding your opinions and you are being defensive. Kevin MacDonald has always had good responses to criticism. You would be more credible if you weren’t letting Friberg use you like a pawn to boost his own status and frankly your attacks on Counter Currents were unprofessional and undignified. I really liked your work and I was looking forward to your book (which I will still purchase) but your petty responses here show big blind spots and intellectual limitations. If my opinion is irrelevant the same could be said of yours.… Read more »

Andrew Joyce
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Andrew Joyce

You’re pathologizing again. A shame.

craicher
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craicher

Yea and all of them sickos. Sick is sick. If you are born sick or made sick you are sick. No one says that a person born with a disease (say cerebral palsy) or who gets a disease (say cancer) is not sick. Sick is sick. Stop rationalizing your disease. “The world is not just black and white”? You are quite the philosopher.