Trump’s “Popular Hawk” Dilemma

Trump, don't make the fat kids angry.

It’s tough being Donald Trump. The Deep State hates you, the Neocons hate you, Conservatism Inc. hates you, GOP hacks hate you, and even the Alt-Right is sometimes less than complimentary. And that’s just from people who are supposed to be on your side.

Despite all the “friendly fire” — and the relentless barrage from the Left — Trump has managed to keep things together and even nudged the country in the right direction.

But more than that, he has become a symbol of hope to the masses long shut out of America’s so-called democratic processes, and the relationship is mutual. When Trump is in a corner it is the American people to whom he looks for support. This means that for Trump, popularity, expressed in poll numbers and approval ratings, is not just important around election time. It is of vital importance all the time, bigly.

With the sound of sharpening impeachment knives forever ringing in his ears, popularity is his best defence against his enemies. If his numbers plummet, few would question unorthodox moves to oust him, no matter how underhanded. But with the people at his back, his enemies — at least some of them — would think twice.

But how can he boost his popularity?

There is the stuff that really resonates with his base — border security, the clamp down on illegal immigrants, draining the swamp, job-related anti-globalism, etc. But a lot of that, as we have seen, runs into all sorts of complex opposition from the cucks in Congress and an over-politicized judiciary. This means that path can often be a difficult, uphill struggle.

In the realm of foreign policy, however, the President is more unfettered by the other branches of government. He is freer to do what he wants. For this reason foreign policy has become a kind of safety valve for the Trump administration. Whenever the domestic pressure is too intense and approval ratings are sliding, the administration can always find an escape in some popular piece of overseas posturing.

Unfortunately the actions that seem to have the best payoff are hawkish chest-thumping acts. Whenever there is some tense stand-off, with accompanying footage of bombers, aircraft carriers, or marines being readied on TV, then — weirdest thing! — Trump’s numbers seem to either stop falling or rise.


There are two reasons for this. One is that it galvanizes the patriotard element that has always been a massive part of the GOP base. The other is that the Leftist media is now a lot more Neocon than anyone (outside the Alt-Right) would have suspected possible. Whenever there is the smell of war in the air, suddenly Trump’s not such a bad guy after all. The President knows that if he wants to boost his numbers he merely has to pick a fight, rhetorical or otherwise, with some “dastardly” foreign power.

A combined graph and timeline showing Trump’s approval and disapproval ratings during his first 100 days, published by the boomer cuck newspaper the Daily Telegraph, highlights some interesting points. Back in March when his approval rating was sagging towards the low 30s, the Trump administration managed to turn things around by releasing a number of statements criticising North Korea’s missile testing and pressuring China to do more to “rein in” Kim Jong-un.

Then in April, he went along with the “Assad is gassing his people” narrative and bombed a largely deserted Syrian airbase. This stopped another slide in his numbers. Interestingly, it didn’t start his approval rating going the other way — it kind of levelled off — but this might have had something to do with the fact that the bombing was just a one-off firework show. However, later that month, Trump’s numbers did improve when Vice-President Pence made a speech declaring an end to the “era of strategic patience” with North Korea.

But, like all preceding Presidents, Trump can’t just play the popular hawk anywhere. The options are severely limited to a small range of countries that are (a) not big enough to be really dangerous and (b) established in the American popular consciousness as “nasty, evil states” — thanks to the tireless efforts of the biased media.

So, which countries are we talking about?

Russia and China are still widely seen by the American public as being a bit on the “nasty” side, but because of their vast military forces and nuclear arsenals they are not usually on the hawk menu. This leaves Syria, North Korea, and Iran, as three places where Trump can reliably improve his ratings by beating the war drum.

Syria is a low cost option. The administration can always dig up some fake gas attack and bomb away to its heart’s content. But because of the chaos in the country and the fact that ISIS or ISIS-lite would be the main beneficiaries from this, the US public is not too impressed. Also, Syria is too close to Iraq, reminding even patriotards of past failures. Only out-and-out real Neocons and Hezbollah haters see this as positive. So, low cost but also low returns.

Iranian youth role playing America’s 1979 humiliation.

Iran is higher cost but also higher returns. A showdown with Iran of some sort would in theory boost Trump’s approval ratings, especially if they were sagging. Most Americans still have a highly negative image of Iran in their heads. This is related to America’s past humiliations and former Iranian President Ahmadinejad’s supposed comments about wiping “America’s greatest ally” off the face of the Earth. But actually Iran is quite different from its image. It is far from the Islamist caricature that patriotards like to paint. More importantly, any stand-off with Iran that went beyond sanctions or rhetoric would be extremely high cost, as (a) Iran would be backed up by Russia to some degree and (b) occupies perhaps the most strategically vital position in the world, overlooking the Straits of Hormuz.

North Korea, by contrast, occupies a rather remote corner of North East Asia. A bit of brinkmanship here is less of a problem, at least for America. But the costs on US allies would be enormous. Countries like South Korea and Japan are effectively hostages to an outbreak of hostilities on the Korean peninsula. The North Koreans have nukes but even without them they could reduce Seoul, the capital of South Korea, to rubble with their artillery, as it is located extremely close to the North Korean border. They also have the ability to wipe out at least a few hundred and probably a few thousand of the US servicemen based in South Korea.

Where most of the “fire and fury” would fall.

None of these three options are therefore good once you go beyond the stage of rhetoric. An exchange of insults or gunfire could easily escalate into a messy military situation that could prove too much for America’s military capabilities, which are a lot more limited than people think. A confrontation in Korea or the Gulf could result in a slap down for Trump that would be bad not only for his approval ratings but also his overall “tough guy” image. Also, any emergency might even be used as cover to expedite his removal.

What Trump needs instead are the kind of low-cost, high-return military adventures that boosted earlier administrations in the past. I am thinking here of actions like Grenada (1983) and Panama (1989), or even that despicable little war against Serbia (1999), from which the Clintons were at least able to reap some benefits.

If you must have a little “pocket war” to look good and improve ratings, find a convenient “bad guy” whom you can easily demonize and provoke, but whose removal won’t be too militarily difficult or have too much blowback — not another Libya please!

Castro’s Cuba or Maduro’s Venezuela would be interesting choices, or Trump could call out Mugabe’s regime in Zimbabwe (at 93, get him before he is gone). I particularly like this idea, as making an example of an anti-White racist like Mugabe would concentrate the minds of whoever is in power in neighbouring South Africa in the years ahead.



  1. Rhino23 31 August, 2017 at 18:04 Reply

    Notice that when the N Korean thing is revved up there are seems always expensive abm/missile defense systems being sold to Japan, S korea etc. Kim is good for business.

  2. WR_the_realist 12 August, 2017 at 13:20 Reply

    It’s frustrating reading Breitbart and seeing all the patriotards there cheering on every war that Trump decides to start. If I wanted war I would have voted for whichever candidate was most recommended by Billy Kriistol.

  3. Ivan Prihhodko 11 August, 2017 at 07:46 Reply

    I like former Rodesia as a target for intervention. At that point, the country is so antiwhite, any change will be positive.

  4. Hasen 11 August, 2017 at 06:38 Reply

    The “North Korea” crisis is entirely manufactured by stupid American policy.

    It could be a normal country, like say, Vietnam, if the US just allowed its neighbors (Japan and S.Korea) to normalize relations with it (N.Korea).

    As for the problem of dictatorship, I believe it will eventually solve itself if things were allowed to flow naturally. S.Korea was also a repressive police state for several decades.

  5. McSwag 11 August, 2017 at 03:38 Reply

    Supporting any war regardless of the legitimacy of it isn’t patriotism, it’s cretinism. And America seems to have its fair share of them.

  6. JMB 10 August, 2017 at 22:59 Reply

    I think I will just let the Men discuss this topic! Lol I don’t know much about war strategy & all that goes with it! I’ll just read the comments.

  7. JosephtheGreat 10 August, 2017 at 21:58 Reply

    Kim Jung Un has a funny face, and look how tight his glasses are. Look how deep they are digging into the side of his head. That must hurt.

    But I agree, we should leave him alone. I’m sick of wars for jews.

    • Robert Bruce 11 August, 2017 at 01:17 Reply

      IF Sean wanted to stay relevant he needed to change his colors from a neoconservative to more of a libertarian. Tucker Carlson did it first. Conservative news is going to go down the toilet soon.

  8. Ajudeo 10 August, 2017 at 19:11 Reply

    If President Trump was Worried about Impeachment…….

    He wouldn’t be attacking McConnell and the GOP Do-Nothing Congress……..


    If Mueller had ANYTHING……

    ……he’d be Raiding Trump Towers……


    This is what is to be Expected, Folks………

    Donald J. Trump………Ran against the Establishment…….

    He promised to Drain the Swamp……

    The Swamp is Fighting Back…….

    And Exposing…..

    …..Everything that the MAGA Movement coalesced to Fight Against…….

    Hang in there, Folks…….

    Robert Mueller is an Annoying Biting Flea…….

    Nothing More…..


  9. Ajudeo 10 August, 2017 at 18:44 Reply

    Mueller has NOTHING…….


    He’s DESPERATE……..


    President Trump is Playing Him like a FOOL……..

    Fun to Watch……


    • JosephtheGreat 10 August, 2017 at 21:53 Reply

      Ahmadinejad better than Putin TBH.

      Putin will throw you in jail for questioning the holohoax. Ahmadinejad will sit down and have a fact-based discussion about it with you.

  10. Bob 10 August, 2017 at 16:46 Reply

    In the end NK still owns it National Bank – and Trump is totally dependent on the City Of London … you get the idea …

  11. Alek 10 August, 2017 at 15:31 Reply

    Maybe North Korea should stop constantly threatening their neighbors and focus instead on providing enough food to feed their starving population. That would seem to be smarter long term strategy at this point, since they’ve already proven their nuclear capabilities.

    • Yehudah Finkelstein 10 August, 2017 at 16:14 Reply

      Yeah, umm, how did giving up nukes and chemical weapons work out for Gadaffi and Saddam? You have to maintain a nuclear arsenal once you’ve developed the ICBMs and the nukes.

      • Alek 10 August, 2017 at 18:28 Reply

        Let’s just adopt the DS tier “North Korea, best Korea” mantra. After all, it’s just for the memes anyway. I’m sure average people will completely understand. In all seriousness, not acknowledging the massive violations of the territorial integrity of Japan and South Korea by the North is meme tier analysis. It shows a complete lack of seriousness in the Alt-Right. Libya and Iraq weren’t threatening anyone when they were attacked, so the comparison is a poor one.

        • Yehudah Finkelstein 10 August, 2017 at 19:20 Reply

          The tendency of some to constantly bring up Andrew Anglin or Daily Stormer as a deflection from their bad arguments is lame.

          In all seriousness, not acknowledging the massive violations of the territorial integrity of Iran and Syria by the USA is shit tier analysis.

          • Alek 10 August, 2017 at 19:36

            Constantly? I’ve never mentioned DS once. Anyway, there is universe in which NK might be different than Iran and Syria. Not everything is a ME war for Jewish hegemony. It’s not a war, and no one wants a war, but eventually NKs reckless behavior will spark one unless they pull back a bit.

          • Yehudah Finkelstein 10 August, 2017 at 19:41

            You mentioned Anglin for some weird reason even though DS is not pertinent to the topic. Others have done it as well. It’s strange.

            No one brought up or cares about Jews in this thread.

            “eventually NKs reckless behavior will spark one unless they pull back a bit.”

            I doubt it. You think Trump or any American President wants a nuclear Holocaust on their hands? Do you honestly think Kim Jong Un will attack South Korea, Japan, or the USA and guarantee the annihilation of himself and his government? Everything Kim has done is mere saber rattling and brinkmanship, nothing else.

          • Alek 10 August, 2017 at 19:53

            Maybe, maybe not. The problem with brinksmanship is human error, and we both know that couldn’t happen. You seem to have far more confidence in the stability of the DPRK regime than most knowledgeable people. Thanks for tone policing the forum. I know it’s a tough job, but it must fall to someone.

          • JosephtheGreat 10 August, 2017 at 22:21

            The DPRK has proven itself more stable and restrained then the US has by far. How many countries has the DPRK bombed in the past 20 years? How many has the US bombed? Between the two countries, the US is far more likely to use a nuclear weapon. I say this based on the historical actions of the two countries.

            DPRK is just a barking dog that rarely bites.

          • Alek 10 August, 2017 at 22:31

            If it comes to making a choice between NK and US, I’ll take the US every time. I don’t understand the sympathy people here seem to have for every 3rd world or non-white nation that the US has ever engaged militarily. It’s a weird form of self-loathing. If we ever achieve an ethnostate, I pray we don’t adopt Ron Paul’s vision of foreign policy.

          • JosephtheGreat 10 August, 2017 at 23:38

            I’m not expressing sympathy, I’m telling facts. The US is more prone to attacking countries preemptively. That is a fact. The DPRK is in check, it can’t do anything without putting itself in great danger. But who puts the US in check? It’s unrestrained and prone to attack anyone over bullshit intelligence. The US is by far more dangerous than North Korea is to other countries. That’s just accurate.

            Secondly, if you cared about the US and the people you wouldn’t support more wars for jews. It’s not about choosing one country over the other. It’s about making sure the US acts in a way that serves the interest of the people and not the interest of international jewry. We’ve had enough of this bullshit already.

          • Alek 11 August, 2017 at 00:37

            I would suggest that supporting our allies Japan and South Korea does benefit the US, both economically, and militarily. How does a conflict with NK benefit International Jewry? By that train of logic, every world conflict benefits international Jewry. I’m basically just playing devil’s advocate, but these are losing arguements, even if you’re factually correct. Ron Paul tried to go down this road, and failed miserably. It’s a political dead end.

  12. Yehudah Finkelstein 10 August, 2017 at 15:02 Reply

    This is all bullshit and noise from both sides.

    Kim/DPRK now has nukes. Simple solution: Do not invade or attack the DPRK. Even Trump understands this despite the ominous rhetoric.

    A Korean Peninsular War will involve hundreds of thousands of deaths.

    This potential war will also never happen because Russia and China will not allow America to invade a neighboring country, even a lunatic hermit state like the DPRK.

    • Arthur Vickstrom 10 August, 2017 at 19:06 Reply

      Trump and his neocon allies are going to attempt to put pressure on North Korea until it implodes under its own weight. They want Kim to be deposed by his own people and in the ensuing chaos South Korea will have a chance to pacify the North.

      • Yehudah Finkelstein 10 August, 2017 at 19:34 Reply

        Everyone has been waiting for the DPRK to implode since 1989. I don’t see why it will happen now because Trump talks tough. If anything, the confirmation that the DPRK has nukes all but ensures the regime’s survival for years to come.

        Russia and China do not want an American satrap on their borders. Which is what a reunified Korea would be. The DPRK serves a purpose: Kim Jong Un is the rabid, chained pitbull who keeps the Americans at bay and off Russian and Chinese interests in the Pacific.

        • Arthur Vickstrom 10 August, 2017 at 22:47 Reply

          Everyone knows Russia & China don’t want Korea unified and America wants the opposite. Eventually something has to give.

          The long term American goal is to finish off North Korea so as to free up more forces for intervention in the Middle East. You can’t invade Iran if you’ve got 30,000 troops tied down on the Korean border.

          • Yehudah Finkelstein 10 August, 2017 at 23:00

            The usefulness of the DPRK as a buffer state for Russia and China that opposes and pisses off America is the only reason the Kim family still rules. This trend will continue, as America has angered the Russians and driven them closer to the Chinese. In fact, Russo-Chinese relations are probably the best they have ever been since the Sino-Soviet split.

            If Jews and the foreign policy establishment are stupid enough to poke the bear and the dragon so they can focus on securing the existence and future of Israeli children, then such a move will spell the end of the American imperium. A great power that finds itself opposed by an alliance of other great powers inevitably loses.

          • Yehudah Finkelstein 10 August, 2017 at 23:37

            If Jews ruin America through endless foreign wars, they essentially doom Israel as well.

  13. Ken31 10 August, 2017 at 15:00 Reply

    Liddel’s central thesis is based on the false assumption that polling can be trusted. The evidence indicates it can not.

    • Alek 10 August, 2017 at 15:32 Reply

      agree, the polling used to justify the “Trump losing his base” narrative is a joke, and a media psyop to scare the cucks in the GOP into submission

    • Liddell 10 August, 2017 at 21:39 Reply

      Are you literally suggesting that Trump doesn’t pay attention to ANY polls whatsoever based on the fact that some polls were skewed in the run up to his election? Hmmm, seems like extremely faulty reasoning, the sort of reasoning that an elementary school student might use.

      • Robertus Antoninus 11 August, 2017 at 13:20 Reply

        Could Trump’s reasoning not be based on trying to box-in his opposition in the GOP by forcing them to support their President at war, regardless of what the polls say about the public, which are mostly crap anyway?

  14. Ken31 10 August, 2017 at 14:56 Reply

    There are still a lot of cuckservatives, boomers, and tea party people who fall for this propaganda. But their numbers grow fewer each day. “America Fuck Yea!” has lost its hold over the people.

    I predict that Trump will get smashed by even an establishment candidate in 2020, if he goes to war with ANYONE that does not attack us ON OUR SHORES.

    After 200 years of wars and flag waving, I think we have all had enough. MIC, NWO, Central Banking, are all household words these days, even if most people are not yet awake on the Jews who control it all. But, the JQ is starting to enter the public conciseness as well.

  15. Albionic American 10 August, 2017 at 13:01 Reply

    North Korea’s existence ironically draws attention to the validity of the Alt Right’s world view. This country can punch well above its weight and terrorize its neighbors because Koreans have a respectable IQ, which gives the North Koreans the cognitive ability to build rockets and nukes, and make them work, despite their country’s poverty.

    By contrast, Liddell’s other proposed targets for President Trump’s bravado – Cuba, Venezuela and Zimbabwe – have such dumb populations that they couldn’t build rockets and nukes in a million years.

    • Yehudah Finkelstein 10 August, 2017 at 15:04 Reply

      Smart, high IQ people will make just about any government work. Even a Stalinist personality cult hellhole like North Korea.

      • WHAT 10 August, 2017 at 15:11 Reply

        Stalin period might not be a good comparison, because Joseph, for all his atrocities, very actively engaged in a sort of natural selection cadre-wise, growing the best people he could. That thing about how he “beheaded” Red Army exists because around 37-38 he finally got to remove old bolshie jew holdouts – removing the man who did the job immidiately after.

        We don`t really know what Kim is doing cadre-wise.

        • Yehudah Finkelstein 10 August, 2017 at 15:23 Reply

          There are obvious difference between the DPRK and Stalin’s USSR. I just used the Stalinist term because the DPRK is clearly inspired by the Stalinist template and the country itself was in fact a creation of Joseph Stalin.

        • Robert Bruce 11 August, 2017 at 00:42 Reply

          The guy whacked his older brother and uncle, both of whom were suspected of being all for “change”. Kim wants old school folks and he took his grandpa’s haircut to clarify that matter.

    • WHAT 10 August, 2017 at 15:07 Reply

      After being properly taught in soviet academies, cubans have proven themselves very adept in unconventional tactics in Africa, so I wouldn`t equate them with others.

        • Albionic American 10 August, 2017 at 18:51 Reply

          Cuba has an average IQ of 85, from what I’ve read. That puts it in the neighborhood of other Latin American countries.

          • Игор 11 August, 2017 at 04:57

            Without testing it’s just speculation, thing is how would Haiti, Jamaica or any other country copped under sanctions Cuba had last 50+ years, and Cuba didn’t had China or Russia nearby, but your point of NK and Cuba comparison still stands, even if those 64% are Europeans, there is 36% of others.
            And this is also interesting “Uruguay rates high for most development indicators and is known for its secularism, liberal social laws, and well-developed social security, health, and educational systems. It is one of the few countries in Latin America and the Caribbean where the entire population has access to clean water.”
            Uruguay demographics “white 88%, mestizo 8%, black 4%”, data is from CIA factbook.

          • A hymn to Hermes 11 August, 2017 at 05:27

            Except the Indios actually built their own civilizations which were impressive by their own bronze age standards. IQ is an oversimplification. There is clearly something in the 80ish IQ mestizo which makes him a more fit specimen than the 80ish IQ black.

            And Cuba is full of blacks, not Indios so not like other LatAm countries. Even worse these aren’t African immigrants, they were a tiny seed population which has ballooned based entirely on access to gibs. A population eugenically selected by the Cuban state based on its’ ability to eat and fuck.

    • genX140 11 August, 2017 at 03:24 Reply

      North koreans live under total starvation and poverty. That affects their average IQs. A bit like blacks in Africa vs blacks in America.